Also, really look at the pedigree of Patrick's Tater.

His topside is bred a lot like Eli/Carver dogs (who tend to be heavy Dibo and Williams mixes).

Allen's Redman (Tater's sire) is Tater's father ... who was sited by Ritcheson's Jerry, Dibo's brother. He was bred to a heavy Williams bitch in Ritcheson's Kitty, like Black Widow, which is 1/4 Tudor's Jeff, a devastating son of Dibo.

So, again, that is where the power of Tater was coming from, IMO. His topside was very similar to the Eli/BlackWidow blood he was facing.

Eli was inbred Blind Billy (100% Dibo/AZ Pete/Bambi), while Black Widow was 1/4 Dibo, 3/4 Williams blood. That exact same pure-Dibo over Williams-1/4-Dibo combination is behind the Eli/Carver BEST crosses. This combo has been a mainstay in the very best, multi-winningest dogs in the the sport.

Look at the pedigrees and see if you agree that is also where Tater's power came from ... the same basic combo on his topside: Dibo/AZ Pete's brother (Ritcheson's Jerry) was bred to a 3/4 Williams, 1/4 Dibo bitch (in Ritcheson's Kitty) ... to produce Tater's sire, Allen's Redman.

The Clouse blood on the bottom of tater, Clouse's Red Brandy, was an exceptionally-clean "Clouse fantasy" breeding too. There is no denying this: 68.75% Ch Staber/25% Ch Big Boy/12.5% Ch Butcher Boy ... but, in the end, Patrick's Tater only had 1 win in him.

I just think the ONLY version of these dogs, still winning and still producing MULTI-winners, today, is the Eli/Carver combination

Eli dogs (linebred on Dibo) and the Ironhead/Black Widow Carver combiniations. (Interesting that Ironhead, Carver's expressly-stated favorite dog, is a 50% Dibo/Az Pete, 35% Black Widow combo, with an extra 12.5% shot of Gr Ch Rascal, Dibo's half-brother) ... essentially 62.5% the same blood as Eli, 35% Black Widow.

These dogs are where the true super-stars are coming from ...

That is the way I see things, at any rate.