gameness

[Officially Retired]

I couldn't agree more on everything you just said as far as gameness and finishing skills. And you are right about Gr Ch Rose Red stopping her after she almost killed RR. There are no excuses from me whatsoever because I did not owned Blonka at the time and I didn't condition her. Both of my old partners dogs ran hot at the :20 mark and couldn't recover to the end. A knowledgeable dogman knows that no matter how game a dog is, they will all stop after they run hot and can't recover.

Great point.

Well, except for my ex partner. She got counted out but trust me she did not quit. Like RR's owner reported in the journal "when it was Blonka's turn to scratched, i tucked RR in real tight and made sure she didnt move, then Blonka got counted out and we screamed and yell like we won the final four!" what he didn't mentioned was that Blonka scratched once she saw where RR was.

Thank you for telling the whole story ...

At one time I offered to buy Blonka for 5K when she was a 2xer, but he refused to sell her to me. Then once she lost, I picked up his trash and turned her into a Champ.

Good for you. This is where opinions vary and "one man's trash becomes another man's treasure." Evo himself conceded that he once lost to a dog he got rid of.

Certainly, if Ch Blonka has that kind of ability ... and only stopped at the point of absolute fatigue ... she is worthy of a shot. Ch Nico (4xW, 1xL) lost to Gr Ch IBM ... but he out-produced IBM by a landslide.

So, my bad if Blonka's conditioning is what caused her the loss.

Jack

[FarmersChoice]

Great point.





Thank you for telling the whole story ...





Good for you. This is where opinions vary and "one man's trash becomes another man's treasure." Evo himself conceded that he once lost to a dog he got rid of.

Certainly, if Ch Blonka has that kind of ability ... and only stopped at the point of absolute fatigue ... she is worthy of a shot. Ch Nico (4xW, 1xL) lost to Gr Ch IBM ... but he out-produced IBM by a landslide.

So, my bad if Blonka's conditioning is what caused her the loss.

Jack

this were breeding programs can very makes u really scratch your head sometimes

[pig mad]

Yeah thanks not trying to breed hog dogs though can pick those up off the street trying to get a serious yard together cause the more i talk to others and read the more i see were they going wrong this guy who said dont breed to this other fellas dog cause it only game well that only game dog beat his in 2 hours and next 1 he did quit in 1 hour so that leaves me to think he making mistakes some where i think he feeds his dogs for the wrong reasons i see to much ego caught up in it all..
I was given my game plug to save him from going into the hands of dick heads as you previously mentioned and the plug is whats giving me the bug saw him catch a wild dog 40kg big feral fucker well for 20min my plug was getting eaten i was shitting myself hahaha thought i was gonna have to jump in and stab this fucken thing and it was only me and the plug out in the scrub a million things were going through my head all of wich were me thinking i made a big mistake my dog was gonna die if i jump in what sought of disease is this dingo going to carry and if he gets on me the dog already proved he was not going to be much help i was nearly sick and the hair on my neck was near pulling my skin off i was that amped and then all of a sudden dingo try make a break for it but plug got his foot starts shaking that leg like crazy whent for another hold and this dingo try jump on back of my car to get away i near blew in my pants hahahaha old plug finally got him beat he jumped up and shook dingo off my car dingo tried go under the car so plug straight under with him im nearly in tears of joy just writing this hahaha i was thinking fuck you dingo old bronx dog got you beat another 5min gos by and dingo laid down old plugger mouth full of rib cage so i just stabbed the dingo and took old plugger home for some tlc ever since i been having funny thoughts and doing my home work hahahahahaha...
Old plugger has cost me thousands in kennel alterations use to be all mesh and full of pig dogs now it full of bull dogs and more solid than fort knox who would have thought 1 old dog could change my life so much..

[evolutionkennels]

The irony is that everyone wants the super skilled assassin who can finish in 10 minutes, but if he meets his equal, you'll he glad his sire or dam was game as the day is long. No disrespect to anyone, but if I can have a worldbeater of a dog out of a redboyjocko or bolio tombstone dog, or a chinaman.. eli.. snooty... honeybunch... I'll go with the rbjbt dog.. in my minds eye, they have a more solid background. In layman's terms, if You have a worldbeater who meets his match, you'll be glad if his parents were game plugs

[Officially Retired]

The irony is that everyone wants the super skilled assassin who can finish in 10 minutes, but if he meets his equal, you'll he glad his sire or dam was game as the day is long. No disrespect to anyone, but if I can have a worldbeater of a dog out of a redboyjocko or bolio tombstone dog, or a chinaman.. eli.. snooty... honeybunch... I'll go with the rbjbt dog.. in my minds eye, they have a more solid background. In layman's terms, if You have a worldbeater who meets his match, you'll be glad if his parents were game plugs

This is so true.

When it gets into the trenches, it is better to have crafted the ability into your dogs on a foundation of gameness ... than it is to breed "for ability" on a foundation of question marks (and bad moves ignored) ...

Jack

[FarmersChoice]

I think ppl need to realize that justt cause a dog is very talented doesnt measn its a curr and just cause a dog is game doesnt mean it untalented makes me think of a thing a old wise man told me he said the best dog and most talented dog is the last dog in there now there have been many dogs that were super talented against one but then prove its also very game against another on its next hunt much like gr ch zebo now true gameness is is something one should always be valued for dont matter what in my eyes this is and always has been the true prestige behind the breed no disrespect these are just my opinions and views

[Officially Retired]

I think ppl need to realize that justt cause a dog is very talented doesnt measn its a curr and just cause a dog is game doesnt mean it untalented makes me think of a thing a old wise man told me he said the best dog and most talented dog is the last dog in there now there have been many dogs that were super talented against one but then prove its also very game against another on its next hunt much like gr ch zebo now true gameness is is something one should always be valued for dont matter what in my eyes this is and always has been the true prestige behind the breed no disrespect these are just my opinions and views

True!

[FarmersChoice]

this also reminds me when jeeps dad champion bo lost to lonzos vindicator but bo went on to produce light years better then vindicator imo

[Officially Retired]

I posted this on another thread, where it was relevant also, but Outback Kennels' Gr Ch Junior (6xW) is an interesting study of how Champions & Grand Champions in the 4th Generations ... can become losers and unmatched dogs in the 2nd & 3rd Generations ... but who, when interbred one once again, once again produce a 6xW Grand Champion.

This goes to show that, if you're confident in your line, you don't need to panic if you don't have Champions & Gr Champions in every generation ... people need to realize no one does. Game bums off of aces are okay ... and it's also okay to line breed on them

All you have to do is keep re-shuffling the deck and, if you make the right choices and hang onto the right traits, you will once again have complete dogs.

Jack

[pig mad]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=9747

this is my old dog in question