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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueprint View Post
    We have stuff coming down from that blood and it's been super. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=37962
    Very interesting ... and very similar indeed.

    Would be an exciting candidate to cross with Coca-Rilla.

    I was always too scared to lose my percentages with some of that stuff, but in retrospect (and with the aid of these research tools), you can start to see a pattern, and I wish I would have more.

    Some of those 50% crosses were phenomenal ... some not so ... but a dab of it can really make all the difference in the world, so good luck.

    Jack

  2. #2
    Interesting ... searching the pedigrees ... the winningest Redboy cross ever had not a drop of Jocko:

    Jacobs' Gr Ch Assassin II (10xW)

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    ((( SOME GREAT, MULTI-WINNING PURE CARVER/BLACKWIDOW DOGS )))

    Here are some great, pure Bolio/Carver-type dogs ... Grand Champions of Grand Champions ... NO Eli ... NO RBJ ... no real cross needed.



    These are some of the great dogs I could find, with NO RBJ in there.

    The list of Grand Champions over 7 wins with ELI blood in them is OFF THE CHARTS, mostly Eli/Carver, which of course includes Chinaman dogs and Boyles dogs.
    There simply is no question that Eli dogs produce the winningest/baddest dogs out there. (Doesn't mean they're game, or in high-percentage, but they're BAD.)

    The winningest RBJ dog, of course, was Gr Ch Barracuda (9xW), but again he needed 1/4 Bolio/Tombstone to get there.

    There simply ARE NO pure RBJ Grand Champions with more than 6 wins
    (If I am wrong, please show them to me.)

    Yet there ARE Bolio/Carver dogs with this many wins
    This means pure Carver/Bolio dogs have managed to win 7, 8, 9, and 14 wins withOUT RBJ ... whereas RBJ dogs CAN'T win that many times without Bolio/Tombstone blood in there

    Interestingly, the winningest Redboy dogs of all time (7x, 8x, 10x) actually have NO JOCKO ... they're Redboy/Carver, Redboy/Frisco, Redboy/Eli ... and Redboy/Loposay. (Only 4 dogs.)
    So, AGAIN, the Eli/Carver has to be in there
    This is especially interesting because RBJ gets BRED MORE than all the other RB combos, and yet can't produce THE baddest dogs.

    The MAJORITY of the multi-winningest dogs are basically Eli/Carver or Eli/Bolio (including Boyles/Chinaman) ... or straight Eli.

    Just some preliminary findings using the Search Feature

    Jack

    PS: I ignore mentioning old, old-time dogs and speak only of more modern dogs.

  4. #4
    I believe Jocko was down from the Fitzwater Goldie ,Dibo cross...And we all know who Goldie was..Anyway jmo and some very nice reading here.

  5. #5
    There was definitely some Dibo in Ch Jocko, but there was less than 5% Goldie.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    There was definitely some Dibo in Ch Jocko, but there was less than 5% Goldie.
    Point taken .It jmo .

  7. #7
    A little more history ...

    As for the claim of Jocko "adding mouth" ... here are some more facts:
    Jocko's sister Ch Apples was bit down by the Eli/Loposay-bred Gr Ch Molly Bee ... while their brother Ch Argo was whipped by the Eli/Carver/Clouse-bred Ch Bumper.

    So, hey, hats off to Ch Jocko and his littermates.
    Three Champions in one litter is something we should all take our hats off to.

    But, when push comes to shove, and when Champions-meet-Champions, they ALL got/get knocked off by the wayside by Eli and Eli/Carver dogs. Same with Nico, same with Zinc, etc.

    The title of "Baddest" and "Best" is elusive ... and there is no shame in winning 1, 2, and 3 good solid shows.
    That's all that can be asked of most dogs, and doing this is a fine accomplishment. Even losing game is an accomplishment.

    Still, historically-speaking, and as a matter of ongoing strategy, the great thing about a resource like this, the input of old-timers, and the ability to crunch numbers and quantify statistics ... is we can start to see patterns forming folks ... and, as the elevation gets higher, we need to re-think some of the claims (as well as our own beliefs) as to which way we want to go in our breeding programs, if we truly want "the baddest" and "the best."

    Wish I had this resource available 20 years ago

    Jack

  8. #8
    Sandman won 11 and was hooked for 12 when he keeled over on the chain. Devastating animal touch of rbj ..through ch.poncho son of boots.

    http://www.machobuck.com/Machobear%20II%20X%20Ch.LC.htm

    Sandman was littermate to ch.lc.

    Now... From that breeding to bear... There is 5 that will come out this fall. one named demon is the best they've seen in Arkansas and north texas.

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    Touch would be a good word, as it's only 6%.

    Here is the pedigree of Gr Ch Sandman, on this database, so we can all see/assess it properly:


    Looks like there's at least 50% Bolio/Carver in there through Walker's TBoy/Gabe/BBRed.

    Not to mention the 38% Virgil.

    Carver and Bolio dogs have repeatedly produced 7-14x winners with NO RBJ in them.

    The thing I am trying to stress is that RBJ dogs can't get there with no Eli/Carver in them.

    The dog you posted, if he won 11x, is essentially just another multi-winning Carver cross (50%), with 38% Virgil, and with only a touch of RBJ (6%).

    Jack

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    Touch would be a good word, as it's only 6%.

    Looks like there's at least 50% Bolio/Carver in there through Walker's TBoy/Gabe/BBRed.

    Not to mention the 38% Virgil.

    Carver and Bolio dogs have repeatedly produced 7-14x winners with NO RBJ in them.

    The thing I am trying to stress is that RBJ dogs can't get there with no Eli/Carver in them.

    The dog you posted, if he won 11x, is just another multi-winning Carver cross (50%), with 38% Virgil, and with only a touch of RBJ (6%).

    Jack
    Preaching to the choir as all my stuff is half Bolio tombstone. That dog came to mind when you said that more than 5x have no rbj whatsoever.. given my propensity to debate .. I had to find an 11x with some in there, even if it was a touch. . And he was the real deal. Downtown shaped him for his last one.

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