Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

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No, I have not noticed that. In fact, that's about as false as statements get.

In point of fact, the winngest dogs in history don't have a drop of RBJ in them.
I don't think they produce the most devastating killers either. Queen of Hearts, Molly B, Shady Lady, Tornado ... not a drop.
The absolutey baddest crosses with my own line were to Eli, Chinaman, or Coca Cola dogs.

Statistically, there are more winners with Eli blood and/or Bolio blood in them than RBJ.
Bolio/Eli, Bolio/Boomerang (and even Jeep/Redboy dogs) have ALL been been major, dominant forces out there also ... with not a drop of RBJ.
And let's not forget the avalanche of awesome, multi-winning Jeep/Rascal dogs too ...

I do agree RBJ dogs are an undeniably great, very consistent line of dogs though. Absolutely.
But they sure as hell don't produce "all" the good ones, not by a longshot.

Jack

Most of the kennels that won in the 90's and 2000's had redboy jocko in their pedigree..... Waccamaw, Southern kennels, Hardcore, Hell on Earth, Carolina kennels, Stone City kennels, undertaker kennels (Mrs. Leaky foundation bitch) Evolution Kennels, Tant, Mr Burns and cross road kennels....that's just a few it's a hell of a lot more with the offspring of those foundation dogs for those kennels... Just my two cents....you won't find a more highlighted working stock then those accomplishments of those kennels.....I can't speak on what happen before the 90's.... That's when I got my first journal...except for reading Stratton books ( hey I had to learn somewhere )

[Officially Retired]

Most of the kennels that won in the 90's and 2000's had redboy jocko in their pedigree..... Waccamaw, Southern kennels, Hardcore, Hell on Earth, Carolina kennels, Stone City kennels, undertaker kennels (Mrs. Leaky foundation bitch) Evolution Kennels, Tant, Mr Burns and cross road kennels....that's just a few it's a hell of a lot more with the offspring of those foundation dogs for those kennels... Just my two cents....you won't find a more highlighted working stock then those accomplishments of those kennels.....I can't speak on what happen before the 90's.... That's when I got my first journal...except for reading Stratton books ( hey I had to learn somewhere )

I never said that RBJ dogs weren't great. In fact I do believe I directly said they were both great and consistent as a bloodline.

But the idea that "most" kennels use them ... or that they've produced "the baddest" ... or "all" of the great dogs out there ... is absolutely asinine.

FACT:
My dogs have beat every HOE dog they ever faced (3); they've also beaten at least 1 Hardcore dog (a daughter of Bozack);
One of Southern Kennels' finest Ch Glock was defeated by the Jeep dog Gr Ch Da Beast (who came up to 52 lb to beat him);
And Stone City's #1 dog, Ch Nico, was beaten by the Eli/Carver dog Gr Ch IBM.
I could go on and on ...

So, again, NO, sorry, the RBJ dogs are good ... and I mean no disrespect to the line ... because I agree they are as competitive as the other great lines out there ... but they do NOT have a lock on either winning or "badness" ... not by a longshot.

Jack

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I never said that RBJ dogs weren't great. In fact I do believe I directly said they were both great and consistent as a bloodline.

But the idea that they've produced "the baddest" ... or "all" of the great dogs out there ... is absolutely asinine.

FACT:
My dogs have beat every HOE dog they ever faced (3); they've also beaten at least 1 Hardcore dog (a daughter of Bozack);
One of Southern Kennels' finest Ch Glock was defeated by the Jeep dog Gr Ch Da Beast (who came up to 52 lb to beat him);
And Stone City's #1 dog, Ch Nico, was beaten by the Eli/Carver dog Gr Ch IBM.
I could go on and on ...

So, again, NO, sorry, the RBJ dogs are good ... and I mean no disrespect to the line ... because I agree they are as competitive as the other great lines out there ... but they do NOT have a lock on either winning or "badness" ... not by a longshot.

Jack

I agree with your post 100%. No line of dogs has a lock on the game but when you talk about consistency and high ability animals .... Redboy/ Jocko and crosses are second to none.... You have your occasional destroyers from other lines of dogs.... But the percentage of hounds in those liters are drastically lower....( not speaking on Poncho hounds I have never ran across one ) ... I'm starting to get mid 40's to high 30's hounds hopefully in the future I get a chance to compete with some....

[Officially Retired]

I agree with your post 100%. No line of dogs has a lock on the game but when you talk about consistency and high ability animals .... Redboy/ Jocko and crosses are second to none.... You have your occasional destroyers from other lines of dogs.... But the percentage of hounds in those liters are drastically lower....( not speaking on Poncho hounds I have never ran across one ) ... I'm starting to get mid 40's to high 30's hounds hopefully in the future I get a chance to compete with some....

I agree that RBJ dogs are as good and competitive as any of the great lines, with a boatload of accomplishments, true.

My disagreement was that they have EVER produced either "the baddest" killing dogs in history ... OR "all" the good dogs ... either today, recently, in the past, or at any other time in history.

That is simply flat-out untrue.

Jack

[waccamaw]

I never said that RBJ dogs weren't great. In fact I do believe I directly said they were both great and consistent as a bloodline.

But the idea that "most" kennels use them ... or that they've produced "the baddest" ... or "all" of the great dogs out there ... is absolutely asinine.



FACT:
My dogs have beat every HOE dog they ever faced (3); they've also beaten at least 1 Hardcore dog (a daughter of Bozack);
One of Southern Kennels' finest Ch Glock was defeated by the Jeep dog Gr Ch Da Beast (who came up to 52 lb to beat him);
And Stone City's #1 dog, Ch Nico, was beaten by the Eli/Carver dog Gr Ch IBM.
I could go on and on ...

So, again, NO, sorry, the RBJ dogs are good ... and I mean no disrespect to the line ... because I agree they are as competitive as the other great lines out there ... but they do NOT have a lock on either winning or "badness" ... not by a longshot.

Jack

Hoe was not the dog butch was told he was ,but that dog beside my name ch big John now that was one more bad ass he would flat eat a hog ,i got a dog right now named solo ( the cannibal) ,just like him.only thing is I can't hunt him with bay dogs ,he eats anything with four legs .i might have to have him put down being I can't hunt him with bay dogs .he ate 3 of em.

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Hoe was not the dog butch was told he was ,but that dog beside my name ch big John now that was one more bad ass he would flat eat a hog ,i got a dog right now named solo ( the cannibal) ,just like him.only thing is I can't hunt him with bay dogs ,he eats anything with four legs .i might have to have him put down being I can't hunt him with bay dogs .he ate 3 of em.

I'II take him off your hands.

[waccamaw]

I'II take him off your hands.

Reckon I will have to keep him .ha,ha.

[flashsbulldogs]

I never said that RBJ dogs weren't great. In fact I do believe I directly said they were both great and consistent as a bloodline.

But the idea that "most" kennels use them ... or that they've produced "the baddest" ... or "all" of the great dogs out there ... is absolutely asinine.

FACT:
My dogs have beat every HOE dog they ever faced (3); they've also beaten at least 1 Hardcore dog (a daughter of Bozack);
One of Southern Kennels' finest Ch Glock was defeated by the Jeep dog Gr Ch Da Beast (who came up to 52 lb to beat him);
And Stone City's #1 dog, Ch Nico, was beaten by the Eli/Carver dog Gr Ch IBM.
I could go on and on ...

So, again, NO, sorry, the RBJ dogs are good ... and I mean no disrespect to the line ... because I agree they are as competitive as the other great lines out there ... but they do NOT have a lock on either winning or "badness" ... not by a longshot.

Jack

where are all the IBM dogs now? IBM was bred like pure garbage scater bred to hell with a hung pedigree from Ming man in the bronx but he was a hell of a dog that is for sure , even so I would still have to say the CH Nico dogs are still out there making there mark to this day .. da beast was a rank cur and where is that stuff now? his so called great son was a box jumping cur as well.. none of that is around anymore, but there are tons and tons of ch glocks family around still winning.. hey Jack one of the best dogs I have ever seen from your stock was CH Heavy D who was off CH Nico JR who was CH NICO'S son and one hell of a bull dog.. In my opinion the rbj and the bolio tombstone both go together so well I would really not want either of them with out the other. they add what the other lacks.. I always felt the mouth was deff from the jocko side and that clicked up with the tombstone side cause of the mayfield Tudor stuff well and the bolio and redboy gave it the bottom end.. cause I have had past dogs from all of those lines on there own.. and none of them did as well as when they were all 4 crossed together.. just my opinion

[FrostyPaws]

Most of the kennels that won in the 90's and 2000's had redboy jocko in their pedigree..... Waccamaw, Southern kennels, Hardcore, Hell on Earth, Carolina kennels, Stone City kennels, undertaker kennels (Mrs. Leaky foundation bitch) Evolution Kennels, Tant, Mr Burns and cross road kennels....that's just a few it's a hell of a lot more with the offspring of those foundation dogs for those kennels... Just my two cents....you won't find a more highlighted working stock then those accomplishments of those kennels.....I can't speak on what happen before the 90's.... That's when I got my first journal...except for reading Stratton books ( hey I had to learn somewhere )

I know I'm a little late to this particular thread, but I had a giggle at this. No disrespect to the kennels listed

BUT, I have to agree with Jack.

Dogs from WCC MAULED the competition during the 90s with probably more Ch., Gr.Ch., ROMs, and winners than ANY kennel producing dogs at that time. What you won't find are any Redboy/Jocko dogs there. STP anyone? Bellon Club? I'm sure I could sit here and actually think of a TON more people that used zero of those dogs in their breeding program. I happen to like RBJ dogs, and I cut my teeth on those dogs in the 90s off and down from Voyles' Little John, whose parents came straight from Fletcher.

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I know I'm a little late to this particular thread, but I had a giggle at this. No disrespect to the kennels listed

BUT, I have to agree with Jack.

Dogs from WCC MAULED the competition during the 90s with probably more Ch., Gr.Ch., ROMs, and winners than ANY kennel producing dogs at that time. What you won't find are any Redboy/Jocko dogs there. STP anyone? Bellon Club? I'm sure I could sit here and actually think of a TON more people that used zero of those dogs in their breeding program. I happen to like RBJ dogs, and I cut my teeth on those dogs in the 90s off and down from Voyles' Little John, whose parents came straight from Fletcher.

You do realize that STP and Bellon Club both used redboy jocko bred hounds also right?