Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

[FrostyPaws]

Most of the kennels that won in the 90's and 2000's had redboy jocko in their pedigree..... Waccamaw, Southern kennels, Hardcore, Hell on Earth, Carolina kennels, Stone City kennels, undertaker kennels (Mrs. Leaky foundation bitch) Evolution Kennels, Tant, Mr Burns and cross road kennels....that's just a few it's a hell of a lot more with the offspring of those foundation dogs for those kennels... Just my two cents....you won't find a more highlighted working stock then those accomplishments of those kennels.....I can't speak on what happen before the 90's.... That's when I got my first journal...except for reading Stratton books ( hey I had to learn somewhere )

I know I'm a little late to this particular thread, but I had a giggle at this. No disrespect to the kennels listed

BUT, I have to agree with Jack.

Dogs from WCC MAULED the competition during the 90s with probably more Ch., Gr.Ch., ROMs, and winners than ANY kennel producing dogs at that time. What you won't find are any Redboy/Jocko dogs there. STP anyone? Bellon Club? I'm sure I could sit here and actually think of a TON more people that used zero of those dogs in their breeding program. I happen to like RBJ dogs, and I cut my teeth on those dogs in the 90s off and down from Voyles' Little John, whose parents came straight from Fletcher.

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I know I'm a little late to this particular thread, but I had a giggle at this. No disrespect to the kennels listed

BUT, I have to agree with Jack.

Dogs from WCC MAULED the competition during the 90s with probably more Ch., Gr.Ch., ROMs, and winners than ANY kennel producing dogs at that time. What you won't find are any Redboy/Jocko dogs there. STP anyone? Bellon Club? I'm sure I could sit here and actually think of a TON more people that used zero of those dogs in their breeding program. I happen to like RBJ dogs, and I cut my teeth on those dogs in the 90s off and down from Voyles' Little John, whose parents came straight from Fletcher.

You do realize that STP and Bellon Club both used redboy jocko bred hounds also right?

[FrostyPaws]

You do realize that STP and Bellon Club both used redboy jocko bred hounds also right?

I know STP used Revenge, Lukane, and maybe a few others here and there. But you won't find them using much of that blood throughout their entire career. The Bellon Club used THEIR own dogs for the most part, and if you search through their breeding program, there was ONE dog with RBJ that was used. Short of that, they used their own dogs for over 2 decades, so I wouldn't even venture to say that they, or STP, used those dogs with any regularity through the time period we're talking about.

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I know STP used Revenge, Lukane, and maybe a few others here and there. But you won't find them using much of that blood throughout their entire career. The Bellon Club used THEIR own dogs for the most part, and if you search through their breeding program, there was ONE dog with RBJ that was used. Short of that, they used their own dogs for over 2 decades, so I wouldn't even venture to say that they, or STP, used those dogs with any regularity through the time period we're talking about.

You got to love it.......and I quote (What you want find is any RBJ dogs there.....) when in fact both had major success with it......

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You got to love it.......and I quote (What you want find is any RBJ dogs there.....) when in fact both had major success with it......

1. Want = desire; Won't = "will not" and is the word you're trying to use.

2. The statement was made by Wac that "all the good dogs" that are produced are RBJ in nature ... which is a flat-out fallacy.

3. The other statement made by Wac is that RBJ dogs are "the best" and "kill the most" dogs ... which is another flat-out fallacy.

4. I don't think Bellon Club used many RBJ dogs, mostly Eli and Crenshaw/Eli dogs ... and certainly their absolute BEST, KILLINGEST dogs didn't have a drop of RBJ blood in there (negating #3).

5. While STP did use several RBJ dogs ... he got rid of them afterward ... and he BRED mostly Boyles'-type dogs (aside from Buck) ... and his BEST dog, again, didn't have a drop of RBJ in there: it was Buck, the 1/2-brother to Hollingsworth's Lady In Red.

Jack

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1. Want = desire; Won't is the word you're trying to use.

2. The statement was made by Wac that "all the good dogs" that are produced are RBJ in nature ... which is a flat-out fallacy.

3. The other statement made by Wac is that RBJ dogs are "the best" and "kill the most" dogs ... which is another flat-out fallacy.

4. I don't think Bellon Club used many RBJ dogs, mostly Eli and Crenshaw/Eli dogs ... and certainly their absolute BEST, KILLINGEST dogs didn't have a drop of RBJ blood in there (negating #3).

5. While STP did use several RBJ dogs ... he got rid of them afterward ... and he BRED mostly Boyles'-type dogs (aside from Buck) ... and his BEST dog, again, didn't have a drop of RBJ in there: it was Buck, the 1/2-brother to Lady In Red.

Jack

It was a typo pointing out the misuse of the word won't or want, wouldn't change the fact that frosty paws stated that (neither=not one or the other) since we pulling out Webster had that blood...I didn't say it he did even if they used one dog they both had it and won with it. Who knows which dogs were the best STP had multiple champions with it and even a Gr Ch.....

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It was a typo pointing out the misuse of the word won't or want, wouldn't change the fact that frosty paws stated that (neither=not one or the other) since we pulling out Webster had that blood...I didn't say it he did even if they used one dog they both had it and won with it. Who knows which dogs were the best STP had multiple champions with it and even a Gr Ch.....

We know which dog was the best, because STP wrote an article in the Journal, when Gr Ch Buck died, directly stating Buck was the best dog they ever had out of all the great dogs that they showed.

Jack

[FrostyPaws]

You got to love it.......and I quote (What you want find is any RBJ dogs there.....) when in fact both had major success with it......

Show me where Bellon Club had major success with RBJ dogs. I'm well aware of what I said, and I stand by what I said. Seeing as I knew part of the Bellon Club, and knowing what they used, you won't find them using RBJ dogs. Goofy was a dog they made a breeding with in their program. Once. No winners from the breeding. Go back and show me 5, hell 3, winning RBJ dogs that the Bellon Club used their ENTIRE time in dogs. Those are facts.

When people think of STP, the first thing they think of isn't RBJ dogs, though they did use them. That's because their greatest success, through their time, came with the Boyles type dogs.

Crenshaw didn't use RBJ dogs. Casino didn't use RBJ dogs. TVK didn't use RBJ dogs. BMW didn't use RBJ dogs. Fat Bill didn't use RBJ dogs.

The topic is centered around the best dogs being Redboy/Jocko or having that in them. And that is just complete nonsense. Some of the best dogs I've ever seen, or owned, had zero RBJ blood in it, and I'm a fan of those dogs.

Maybe your definition of major success and mine are different.

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Show me where Bellon Club had major success with RBJ dogs. I'm well aware of what I said, and I stand by what I said. Seeing as I knew part of the Bellon Club, and knowing what they used, you won't find them using RBJ dogs. Goofy was a dog they made a breeding with in their program. Once. No winners from the breeding. Go back and show me 5, hell 3, winning RBJ dogs that the Bellon Club used their ENTIRE time in dogs. Those are facts.

When people think of STP, the first thing they think of isn't RBJ dogs, though they did use them. That's because their greatest success, through their time, came with the Boyles type dogs.

Crenshaw didn't use RBJ dogs. Casino didn't use RBJ dogs. TVK didn't use RBJ dogs. BMW didn't use RBJ dogs. Fat Bill didn't use RBJ dogs.

The topic is centered around the best dogs being Redboy/Jocko or having that in them. And that is just complete nonsense. Some of the best dogs I've ever seen, or owned, had zero RBJ blood in it, and I'm a fan of those dogs.

Maybe your definition of major success and mine are different.

I guess Ch Sassy POR, CH Leonardo, CH Toro POR, CH TAG, Gr Ch lukane ROM, Bobby Lou POR, CH STP holly is not major success. My definition of major is having CHAMPIONS or GRCH ROM dogs if you have a different definition, then everyone on this site should be carrying your stock with me first in line..!!!!

But I will give you Bellon club..... But they still used it....you said none, nada, zilch, zero.....

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It was nice debating this topic gave a lot of members some down time by reading this subject... We all have our different flavor of hounds, picking one for the whole fraternity would be disrespectful and degrading.... Regardless of it's Bloodline of origin. Thank you Jack and Frosty Paws.... Wacc see you soon Big Unk....I'm not kennel blind I also run Toby, Booger dogs....