Here here stop living in the past i'am from the eli country Louisiana eli/carver dogs are not as good as the past dogs were these dogs can bit that's true but soon as you put a smart head dog on they ass they lay it down its like a stubborn kid when they can't get what they want they just holla and run and none of those dogs you name was blackjack, yellow, mayday, lukane, gator, brutus,tuffy, barracuda, machobuck these dogs are some of the best that ever did it... it is what it is jeep/redboy rascal and redboy/jocko dogs today have the highest winning percentage today period