RedDevil RedBoy

[JohnnyBoy]

I've heard from alot of oldtimers that the "RedDevil" blood is the actual line behind the RedBoy Blood .... What's everyone's input on this !

The reason why I'm asking is I use too run that RedDevil blood back in the day & also had some RedBoy ... and to be honest both lines had the same characteristics !!





RedDevil .. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...php?dog_id=263


RedBoy .. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...php?dog_id=243

[CYJ]

I plan to soon write the story on Bass's Tramp Red Boy. I seen Red Boy on several occasions as a young dog and old dog. Saw his last serious game test. Saw his dog pulling show against the W. Cable bitch. Saw most of Red Boy's Siblings and knew their owners personally. Had one of his full brothers for awhile. I did a dog show with R. Byrd. I used a Black bitch out of Red boy x Cleo.

Byrd beat this bitch so bad and so fast it was not funny. Reckon he was wanting revenge on V. Jackson for what the Hank dog did to his 2X winner Arizonia Red. LOL

I knew Red Boy's first owner personally that got Red Boy as a pup from Mr. McCloud. Plan to call W. T. and get the name of another dog man that lived in Dillion S.C. This dog man at one time had more Red Boy x Cleo dogs than K. M. When he quit the game sure Katie and Bass and others got those dogs.

There is no great mystery about the Red boy dog. In the Pee Dee Area of the South East. There were three popular Stud dogs in the same time era. They were V. Jackson's Hank/ W. Kelley's Willie/ and Bass's Tramp Red Boy.

Will write this soon. Want to be well rested and go back over some facts checking and make a few phone calls. Until

[waccamaw]

You might need to check with a few people from the nc and sc before you put their name up !,!i don't think W .T would want his up .whats that old saying ,(loose lips sinks ships ) even though it is historical .it can get twisted and make hard on some folks drawing unwanted attention.if you know what I mean.

[Officially Retired]

This will be great stuff, CYJ.

I am sure many others will sure appreciate reading what you have to say.

Thanks, also, for the interesting commentary on many of the dogs you've entered into the database.

Cheers,

[EWO]

The first dog I ever saw in a box was a son of Bass Redboy to a Redboy/Cleo daughter. I believe this is the litter that made Rattler (2XW) which led to the Marlowe dogs Britches/Mr. Bulldog etc..etc.. I didn't have a clue what I was seeing but I was hooked. This dog was called JR. He was beat down and just about unconscious. Some of the older fellows was commenting on the cotton mouth (and the story began) and the lack of durability. And this was
bellowed from down stairs, "If he wakes up I got $500 that says he makes his scratch". He was brought up stairs and when his eyes opened he launched. Amazing. I was just a kid so I am looking forward to the CYJ post. EWO

[CYJ]

What I am going to add to this topic as Jack has already said. Will be mostly a moot point. Unless I over looked it I do not see any Red Devil breeding in the original papers of Red Boy. Bass's Cleo bitch shows a Red Devil bred dog in her pedigree called Loposay's Bouncer. But even some will argue or claim that Cleo is a Bullet bred bitch etc. I see also someone has changed Finley's Bo dog's pedigree to show him to be a Bullet bred dog. Just more moot points after 40 years or so has passed. No one knew how the Cotton's Bullet dog was 100% bred. Mr. Cotton puts some papers on him.

One of the stories told pertaining to the Red Boy dog and his siblings. Was that a man with a big Red Bull dog that was passing through, stopped at the Bowman's Restaurant. He saw some of Mr. Teals dogs back up on the Hill behind the Restaurant. He and Mr. Teal struck up a conversation and Mr. Teal ended up buying this dog. This was the dog that was suppose to have been bred to Mcleod's Susie Q. Gal instead of Teal's Jeff. Since Teal's Jeff was no longer living from what I had been told. I never saw Teal's Jeff and Mr. Teal may have had more dogs out on his Farm that I never saw. Since I never visited his Farm do not know. Rowell may know but he is very private.

The final part of the story was added when Mr. Teal was very sick and close to passing. A dog man that knew Mr. Teal had visited him at home or at the Hospital. Asked Mr. Teal again that million dollar question of how was the sire of Red Boy was bred. According to the dog man that is unknown to me. Said Mr. Teal said that the Stud dog was a Red Devil bred dog. Once again the most knowledgeable person pertaining to this subject may be Mr. Rowell or another fellow we knew named Turkey Gamun.

Turkey Gammun spent a good bit of time at Mr. Teals before I ever knew Mr. Teal. He had dogs from off Mr. Teal's yard. He worked for the Florence Morning News Paper in Florence. I probably have his last name spelled wrong. Turkey was his nick name. Now his story was that Mr. Teal picked up a stray run away(believe Tramp was brindle in color) Pit Bull off the City streets. He called him Tramp. Tramp turned out to be a good dog which I believe Mr. Teal matched and won with. Mr. Gammun says that is the Sire of the Red Boy litter and why Bass called Red Boy (Tramp Red Boy). So with so many stories it is all a moot point.

The Red Boy dogs start with Bass's Tramp Red Boy and Bass's Cleo. The Bullet dogs start with Bullet. It is what it is.

[CYJ]

For as Red Devil bred dogs being crossed to some of the Red Boy dogs. After the Red Boy line became popular there were some of those crosses made. I know Bass/Jacob and maybe Rowell had some Red Devil bred dogs or some of their friends had them. Some of those crosses were tried in the early 70's and maybe later on.

This is just IMHO. I felt that the C. Medlin dogs to me, were the better choice in that day than just straight Red Boy stock. When the Medlin crosses were added it improved the Red Boy line a lot. Same with the Chavis Jocko and Jocko sibling crosses. A blend of all three has worked very well for some.

I never owned a Medlin dog but the ones I saw that A. Howle had. That were crossed to some Tacoma-Doyle blood lines were outstanding weight pulling dogs. I worked a 70's straight line bred Medlin dog at 46 pound show weight for R. Braddock. His name was Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean was all white with little yellow markings in hair, yellow eyes and Red Nose.

Mr. Clean was a superb built dog with strength and great endurance. That could roll a dog of his weight across a floor like a alligator rolls it prey in the water. Was a very smart dog that could counter any style against him. We had contracted a dog show into A. Brewer on his turf.

When we got there, too our surprise we were into Mr. Pratt himself. With a well conditioned Tiger Brindle male dog that could bite. Before Braddock could get over in the show ring to get Clean set for the pull. Mr. Pratt turned loose on Mr. Clean. Pratt's dog hit hard and deep in the chest. Mr. Pratt figured he had us with maybe another Vindicater type ending. In ole Medlin Carolina Rose style Mr. Clean with that heavy long Bull Terrier type mouth of his. Reach over and took a nice deep nose hold and forced Pratts dog to the side of show ring. After some nice nose pulling Pratt's dog came out of his hold.

Then Mr. Clean proceeded to show that dog what a true Nose to Ear dog can do. Went deep into that Ear drum muscles while still controlling this dog and keeping him mashed up against that show ring wall. Pratt's dog broke the hold a few times to find Mr. Clean right back on his nose and being waltzed around. After about 35 minutes of that with hard pulling and twisting holds. Mr. Clean won when Pratts dog would not make the first scratch back after a fast handle. Mr. Clean never got to show some of his other tricks he had up his sleeve. Why we called him Mr. Clean could get the job done and never get dirty. LOL

Braddock was a very good Coon hound dog breeder and Hunter. Made good money off his hounds had some Nite champions and Gr Nite champion hounds. The pulling dogs were just a hobby thing to him. Do not know what happen to Mr. Clean after that. May have been sold for good money. Wished I had bred something to him. Just more ole timer's crazy stories and rumors of 40 years ago.

The Medlin line was over looked by many including myself and V. Jackson. Mr. Coplin told me I needed some old Red nose based dogs to get the hard bite back in my straight Coplin dogs. The Medlin line should have worked. Most Breeders that have used it improved their stock.

Mr. Medlin/Mr. Teal/Mr. Skinner all were well educated men of the same age and time era. All had their own business. The breedings made by Mr. Medlin and shown in his pedigrees are correct. He was active and knew all those dogs he had and what dogs he was breeding to. One I saw and really liked was the CH Turkey Farm dog. Mr. Teal liked ole Turkey a lot. Mr. Mims/ Cottingham/Robinson/Powell and many others liked that Medlin line crossed to the Red Boy line.

Sorry for my ramblings did not mean to get off the subject that much. Up to late again. LoL

[SteelyDan]

Please... dont stop rambling! All ears here. Great stories and thank you very much for sharing.

[CYJ]

Thanks Steely Dan. I should have put that extra info. into a Medlin dog subject. Have got to try and stay on subject. Some may get offended which I do not wish to do to anyone or any dog blood line. All blood lines including the ones I had have their weakness and strengths.

Winning over Mr. Pratt was no easy task for anyone. He had top of the line dogs and won more than he lost. I never saw him not bring a well conditioned dog to a dog show pull event. After the show he asked how Mr. Clean was bred. He just shook his head as there was about a 1/4 of the same breeding that his dogs came from in Mr. Clean's blood line top and bottom with heavy Medlin. Mr. Medlin knew were the good dogs resided in N.C. back then.

The Red Devil line is still around today. Have read on the other site there have been some good results with Red Devil-Red Boy and Sorrells- Red Boy crosses.

If you get into a family of dogs that you like a lot that has those old rumors etc. Most blood lines do here or there. Breed like the papers show. Getting good results no need to change the plan. If not try the rumor route sometimes where there is smoke they may be fire. LOL

The ends results looks good you may be on the right track or just made a new nick that starts a whole new line. Like the over night sensation of the Jocko- Tramp Red Boy- Medlin dogs. Put Tant/Chavis and others in the lime light. The owners of these dogs could care less about all the old dog rumors. Was what was at the end of the chain that really counted. The rest of the out come is how good of a dog manger and conditioner one turned out to be. I was not consistent as V.J. so he did most of that with me helping on the side lines.

[EWO]

That is a good point. I find it hard to tell stories or history and leave the names out. It makes it difficult to convey and sometimes it lessens the validity but I make it a point to leave the names out, especially if they are active or have friends that are active. The guy that turned me onto dogs way back when has one dog now that is as old as dirt just like him. He stills talks to people and gives advice, and best of all, can flat tell a story. If I put his name out there the current day media could easily consider him the Godfather of the Game, because we all know every bust is a major ring and every participant is a kingpin.
I use 'I know a guy' much more than I would like to but I do not feel comfortable putting names out there. EWO