Bad Habits

[Eliman]

I agree with jack on this one every hound i have had who would fight his chain seamed to have above average intelligence. Pen climbers aswell ones who would scale a 10x10 llke a rock wall all of them turned out to be very smart both traits a pain but i will never cull one for it. I have a Gyp off a Skull dog who would dig holes so big they had to use a backhoe to fill them in now that was a sight to see, she is a easy keeper aswell as her offspring i just don't see culling a hound for these pet peeves. jMO

[S_B]

My apologies to Steely for getting off topic, I think we can all agree for the most part that while dogs with nasty habits are not ideal. We would all make exceptions on the ones that would truly contribute positives in the gameness and performance department. And we would incorporate them into our breeding program with those attributes more so than not for being asshole to keep.

Great topic and answers by everyone BTW!

S_B

[No Quarter Kennel]

And for the record, yes, I have and will make concessions for exceptional dogs......but they have to be truly exceptional.
Fastest horse in the world will have concessions made for him bad habits as long as he's the fastest in the world and bringing home the money.

You can't put them all in a box.

[S_B]

Quote Originally Posted by CA JACK
Just know that, a mere 4 people (who likewise had more than 200 years' collective experience), and WHOM I NAMED ... called the Robert T's "curs" because of their style ... seen them go with their own eyes ... bet against them with their money ... AND LOST

So I will continue to take your second- and third-hand (nameless) opinions with more than just "a" grain of salt

Jack, I'm not going to name drop, two of those men saw the dog with their own eyes. One had stuff down from that dog, and even saw Bob, another was going to buy Bob from the breeder who also owned Ethyl, and suggested I call him as he is still alive and well today.

[Officially Retired]

Okay, then I probably know them. Or know of them.

But you never did answer the part about, did any of them have two dogs that won 13x collectively ... or that beat 6 Champions and 2 Grand Champions?

Being old and having "an opinion" of a dog is one thing;
Having your opinion at any point = having/showing a more accomplished father/son duo is quite another

Jack

[S_B]

Okay, then I probably know them. Or know of them.

But you never did answer the part about, did any of them have two dogs that won 13x collectively ... or that beat 6 Champions and 2 Grand Champions?

Being old and having "an opinion" of a dog is one thing;
Having your opinion at any point = having/showing a more accomplished father/son duo is quite another

Jack

Ok, so off topic, I will try to answer this the best I can.

-Did any of them have 2 dogs that won collectively 13 times?
YEP! 1 of the 5 off the top of my head.

-Beating 6 CH's and 2 GR CH's?
Not that I can think of, but I respect their opinions just the same.

-Everyone has an opinion fact, and some of them are old fact, but not all of them!

S_B

[Officially Retired]

LOL, well, I can't debate "secrets" ... so I can't rebute your cat-n-mouse game.

Nobody has been compromised in what I have said ... and I have discussed known animals/people ... so unless you tell me who they are (in private if you want), this debate is getting silly.

But I highly doubt anyone you've talked to has had 2 dogs that have either won 13 times combined, or beaten 6 Champs/2 Grand Champs either.

Especially a father/son combo.

Jack

[S_B]

Not being baited into this conversation, there is a time and a place, and this is neither.

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I have a bitch who was a terrible dog house fighter, tore two wood houses down to toothpicks, chewed numerous plastic barrels and even took out a tree. At 14 months slipped her collar and killed her mother and proceeded to try and dismantle a male dog in the shoulder.

She would destroy much of what was put in front of her, including 3 one day.

Now, she lives in a metal barrel with a closeable k-9 kondo door, she doesn't mess with it other than licking the HELL out of it during any excitement. lol

But she has a gut full of who knows what, I will try to breed her, but I don't see there is much room for pups. A trip to the vet is in order to see if she is salvageable.

So, unless by some miracle, this bad habit bitch will contribute nothing more than the countless hours of trying to come up with shit she can not destroy.


S_B

[bigpopdog]

THE MAIN BLOODLINE THAT I DEAL WITH SOME OF THE DOGS DO SOME OF THESE "BAD HABITS", SHIT I DAMN NEAR LOST A DOG BECAUSE OF ROCK CHEWING (EVER SINCE THEN, THE ONLY WAY HE SEES THE GROUND IS WHEN I PUT A LEASH ON HIM AND WALK HIM). THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT I CAN'T STAND AS WELL BUT I BE DAMN IF I CULL THEM BECAUSE OF IT. BECAUSE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY DO, I HONESTLY BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE OF HOW THEY'RE BRED, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN ALOT OF DOGS FROM THE LINE (BEFORE THEM) DO SOME OF THE SAME THINGS AND I'M QUITE SURE IT WAS THE SAME WAY BEFORE THEM, GOOD/GREAT DOGS TOO.. POINT IS I'M HAPPY WITH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THEY DO.

[FrostyPaws]

Dogs don't do things because of how they're bred. They do things due to their genetic propensity or learned behavior. How they're bred, persay, has nothing to do with it. I had one Boyles dog that had no teeth from chewing on rocks. He had his pet Kong Toy that he would set in his feed pan and eat around it. If he was being bred, the Kong Toy had to be removed from site or he wouldn't breed the bitch. All that silliness had nothing to do with how he was bred. None of the other Boyles dogs I ever had did any of that. None of the dogs off that particular stud did anything like that. It was just that one idiot who did things such as that.