$200 PUPS = GOOD "WORKING MAN" PRICE ... OR A DISGRACE TO THE BREED???

[CRISIS]

I voted & commented before reading the thread.

Ive always believed you gotta pay to play. I was recently booted from a facebook group for rediculing folks of this very practice. 1. Cheap dicks typically tend to take "cheap" care of theyre dogs. If you cant pony up atleast a stack for a pup, then I personally dont want you behind anything with my name on it because chances are that pups gonna be cared for like shit.
2. Anything less than a stack would be a direct slap in the face with no regard to the hard work, blood sweat & tears thats behind the pup in question.
3. I dont know of ANYBODY who gives theyre best shit away for free. While id never be the one out shopping "for a pup", if I WAS all that $200 price tag is showing me is that your dogs are damn near wortless to you! And im supposed to feel confident as a consumer that this dog will turn out good? Ill take my chances elsewhere to the guy who values & thinks the world of theyre stock, if they dont take theyre dogs seriously....why should I?

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[Officially Retired]

all that $200 price tag is showing me is that your dogs are damn near wortless to you!

[loot]

Hear this all the time. And, in a sense, it's true.

However, they especially don't all turn out when you breed low-percentage, ill-bred dogs together. (Not saying you, but in general.)

By contrast, you can fix your gene pool to where you get all (or most all) of them to turn out, IF you linebreed off excellent individuals, from high-percentage litters.

There are certain dogs that produce so well, MOST of what they put down is game ... and even when you face one of the few curs ... they don't just roll over, you really gotta really whip them too ... if you can.





Hear this all the time, and in a sense that's true too ... but still addled.

Many people are confused as to "how" to produce good dogs ... hence all they talk about is "finding" good dogs, since they can't figure out how to reliably produce them.

But some people really do know how to produce good dogs, all the time, in every litter. They have the gene pool to do this, and the knowledge of how to manage it, so they can keep doing this.

After my third year breeding dogs, I never at any time, had problems producing BY FAR more good dogs tham bad, and by a country mile.

Time and again I have seen people come out with stuff that can't even be properly called "bulldogs," so far are they from legitimately good dogs.

I could see how folks like that are always trying to "find" good dogs, but I know (not "think," KNOW) I will always *always* be able to produce more game dogs than bad dogs, every single time I make a breeding, bar none.

And if a person can't say that, they're working with the wrong stuff IMO.

Not saying you, but just in general.





I have had a replacement guarantee also ... and almost never have had to use it.

The thing that kept people coming back to me wasn't "all the curs" I replaced () ... it was the fact what they bought was game and good ... and they wanted MORE of that





And that's the way it should be

Once a person proves themselves a good handler/caregiver, most breeders will give them dogs, let them breed to their studs, etc.

Jack

I agree with what you are saying.

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I would like to add an old saying, like anything else exceptions do exist but are still far and few between.... Good ain't cheap and cheap ain't good. I'm not implying that we shouldn't find ways to save money but IMO.. To get quality dogs, unless you are well connected or you happen to luck upon an exception, you will be ahead to do some home work and spend good money and don't look back.

[EWO]

I agree with you Jack, no one can tell you the price of your pups, initially. But if you are selling pups, horses, cars, real estate, does not matter, the buyer will dictate the selling price. If you say your dogs cost $2000 and no one is willing to pay $2000 how long can you continue being a breeder when all your pups are still at home. You can't. Just like any business you will adjust, or close up shot. And that adjustment is made when someone is willing to pay a said amount, the amount you set or a lower amount, but the buyer makes that call.

At the same time if a person pays $1500 for that puppy you asked $2K then at that point in time that puppy is valued at $1500. If later he goes on to win a few matches then his value is much more than $1500 and in turn if he produces a bunch of good dogs then his value will then far exceed the original purchase price of $1500. As the breeder/seller you could then exclaim that the pup was indeed worth the $2000 tag you originally set or more, and you would be correct.

But the moment in time when the puppy is sold the price can be dictated by the seller but the selling price will always be dictated by the buyer. Pups, cars, houses. Still the same. EWO

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Anytime I see this topic or a topic like this come up I think of gr ch 35? We all know the store so I won't go into that but clearly this dog was a good dog that was bought at bottom dollar price. Clearly 35 dollars is a steal for a dog that makes great ch but his ped was unknown and in turn he didn't produce so was he really worth a lot? Maybe to some? To me at this stage in my career as a dogman he wouldn't be worth much as I look for producer to better my yard for the long run. I'm not well known as a breeder so my pups don't sell fast or for high dollars so in turn I sale few pups and try to sale to dogman I know at lower prices. Do I post pups for sale, yes I do but those people don't get the deal I give to people I know. I know lower prices hurt the breed. I hate saying that cause I feel at times good dogs go to bad owners cause the buyer had a few extra dollars to spend but that's the truth. If you ask 200 for a pup chances are your going to get some punk with a few dollars interested faster then you will a real dogman. But without this being directed st anyone just a general statement I believe top notch breeders can/will/do what they canctto put good dogs in good yards the best they can without just giving away everything they breed. I find these post interesting and educational to myself as I always try to take something away from them for my next buy or sale of stock so I look farward to hearing what else will be added

[Black Hand]

If nobody wants to pay for your dogs then A. Get better dogs or B. Do more with what you got. Maximize and let your dogs reach their full potential.

250 dollars is a working mans price? What do you do for a living... A paper route? that's like a direct tv bill

[Black Hand]

Anytime I see this topic or a topic like this come up I think of gr ch 35? We all know the store so I won't go into that but clearly this dog was a good dog that was bought at bottom dollar price. Clearly 35 dollars is a steal for a dog that makes great ch but his ped was unknown and in turn he didn't produce so was he really worth a lot? Maybe to some? To me at this stage in my career as a dogman he wouldn't be worth much as I look for producer to better my yard for the long run. I'm not well known as a breeder so my pups don't sell fast or for high dollars so in turn I sale few pups and try to sale to dogman I know at lower prices. Do I post pups for sale, yes I do but those people don't get the deal I give to people I know. I know lower prices hurt the breed. I hate saying that cause I feel at times good dogs go to bad owners cause the buyer had a few extra dollars to spend but that's the truth. If you ask 200 for a pup chances are your going to get some punk with a few dollars interested faster then you will a real dogman. But without this being directed st anyone just a general statement I believe top notch breeders can/will/do what they canctto put good dogs in good yards the best they can without just giving away everything they breed. I find these post interesting and educational to myself as I always try to take something away from them for my next buy or sale of stock so I look farward to hearing what else will be added

I'm pretty sure 35 was a great investment. I guarantee they made their money back ten fold lol

[Officially Retired]

250 dollars is a working mans price? What do you do for a living... A paper route? that's like a direct tv bill