Ding Ding Ding.... Winner, winner chicken dinner! I think I once saw some sloth who was flat behind on a couple of handles; to the point the other entry was already heading to his corner with his dog, and the ref cautioned him to get with the program, but this whole "immediately foul you out for the slightest delay" business is simply not a reality.Originally Posted by OGDOGG
in eastern europe they have somehow setup different kind of rules, no handles on your own initiative but there must be a 3 sec out of hold count by the ref in order to both handle your dogs. very bad for the game in my opinion
It's a fine line. The true sportsman sees it in black and white with absolutely no gray area. The guy skirting the edges and slightly stepping out of bounds in order to win more than likely has some gray area between the black and white. I will do what I can to make my handles when they are suppose to be made. The only time I skirt the issue, and to some it may be a case of stepping over the line is if I am on top, really laying the wood and the scratch is on you. I am not going to make a handle that helps you more than it does me. My first responsibility is the welfare and well being of my dog. I am not going to take an advantage away from him that he worked so hard to gain. In this case I will skirt the 'rule' and pretty much let you know to pick up. EWO
good point ewo i would not give you the advantage in any hunt im there to win not nothing else not saying i willl do what ever but i will do what evers best with in the hunting rules
It's a fine line. A similar topic is the scratch to continue. Once long ago I was asked for one and I refused. It did not go over well with the home crowd. I replied they could pick up and get a courtesy if they were not sure if the dog was game. But I would not punish my dog for doing well no more than I would reward theirs for coming up short. Like I said, some gray area here, cause if I were on the bottom end in the same situation I would ask for a time out, a drink of water and a soothing sponge bath if I thought it would help my dog. Anytime your dog is willing to die for your money the very least you can do is to absolutely have his best interest at heart. EWO
I have NEVER seen anyone give a scratch to continue, I've seen it asked numerous times but never allowed, from a competition standpoint it makes no sense. It could literally change the bout 180 degrees, who would do that to their charge? Also, I have never seen a crowd get upset about not allowing it, they know the deal, it's NOT a rule or even in the grey area. Like you said, pick up and ill let you tail scratch but I ain't letting you blast me in the corner either. Why take a chance of getting a bleeder or knocking out a cutter after the winner has been decided?
I've seen one scratch to continue, but I'm like EWO. I'm simply not giving them that option. I will have to politely decline at any point they ask. I won't scratch to win any contest. They will simply have to pick their dog up or leave it down. Makes me no difference. Nine times out of 10, I'm not letting the opponent courtesy either unless it's by the tail. Even then, the chances aren't good at me going for that. My dog has done his job, and that's all that is required.
As for calling turns on your own dog, I did that with Bishop in both shows he won. I knew that the best shot I had with him was to get the scratching started. That was about the ONLY thing he excelled at, and it was also at a time where I was one of those people who wasn't interested in a match quality dogs. I was simply interested in matching dogs. Either way, it worked out for me, and I'm of the mindset that if that allows me the better chance at winning, I'll call a turn on my dog every chance I can to give me that advantage.
Ditto on the TFX handling post.
Good post
Seen it given one time but it was way late for it to matter. As far as the crowd goes, when three or four travel and end up in a spot with 15-20 guys on the home team anything that does not go their way can get rowdy. Not because the dog men in the crowd disagree, but because of the 15-20 maybe four or five have dogs. I hate to say never, but I can't think of a circumstance where I would give a scratch to continue or make a handle to benefit the other squad. But, I will ask for one (and hope but not expect) and try to make the handle, or maybe not make the handle if it benefits my dog.
Scratch to continue could benefit both camps. If I had a dog that's hard to handle where you have to pry him off, then yes I would agree to one. I will go as far as hinting them to ask for one also. The sooner it ends the better.
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