K. Allen's Dbl. Gr. Ch. Tornado (10xW) vs. Abraham's Gr. Ch. Queen of Hearts (8xW)

[CrazyRed]

The reason it was never done wasn't about weight, it was about two friends having conversation about a 10x and a 8x. Two dogs that did all you could ask. The part of it being offered is very much true but it was conversation. Make no mistake about it, if Ken says yes, Edward would of most definitely obliged him lol. He felt that Queen was the best ever and one of the reasons he even considered it was he had another Ch female that was 44 and they brought Queen up to 43 and she dismantled the catch time. He said Queen was even stronger and more powerful than she was at 38-39. He still said plenty he don't even understand how EZ made 38 so easily because he struggled mightily to get her to 39. In my opinion as a Queen fan I want to say she could of done anything and to be honest you just never know. Tornado had been taking some distance but mostly was in her full control but Edward believed as Queen showed, all it took was 1 bite and everything is different. Tornado is the epitome of a perfect dog, she got it done short, long or in-between. 2 of the best to ever wear a collar, I don't think many can be in that conversation. Tornado, Queen, Molly Bee, Ladystone are always placed just a notch above everyone else. Speaking of which that conversation was something that probably should of materialized, Lady stopped 2 Chs from going to see Tornado. I surely wouldn't of bet but I would of ref for free lol

[STA8541]

The reason it was never done wasn't about weight...Make no mistake about it, if Ken says yes, Edward would of most definitely obliged him lol.

So what weight would Edward oblige Ken at? If he was willing to come up to 42 I would've thought they'd been hooked. Unless you're implying Ken was afraid to match into Queen of Hearts even at Tornado's normal (heavier) pit weight. Which makes no sense to me lol. Just like it would make no sense to me if somebody told me "If Edward says yes, Ken would most definitely have obliged him." That looks to me like even though Ken was willing to trim Tornado down to 38 & drop her in the box with Queen of Hearts at her best weight, Edward still bailed out. Since we know that didn't come off, either, to me that would imply Edward wanted nothing to do with Tornado even at the lighter weight. So what weight would either guy be willing to settle up for? Something in the middle (which would weaken Tornado a bit while slowing & robbing air from Queen of Hearts a bit)? Unless Ken flat out balked when talking about a theoretical match at 43 lbs after Edward flat out told him his dog would be good to go at that weight, I have to think the size difference had something to do with it.

So I'm clear, I'm just trying to understand what happened, not criticizing you or either dog or either handler. I appreciate your input!

He felt that Queen was the best ever and one of the reasons he even considered it was he had another Ch female that was 44 and they brought Queen up to 43 and she dismantled the catch time. He said Queen was even stronger and more powerful than she was at 38-39.

I'd heard this too, impressive.

Tornado, Queen, Molly Bee, Ladystone are always placed just a notch above everyone else. Speaking of which that conversation was something that probably should of materialized, Lady stopped 2 Chs from going to see Tornado.

I've never heard of the Ladystone bitch, but if she's in the conversation with those 3 she musta been a good dog indeed. Now Molly Bee...there's a fella on this site, can't recall his handle, but he's forgotten more about dogs than I'll ever know & he saw Molly Bee go & described the match & said she was just unbelievable. I don't doubt it one bit lol. If I can find where he said it I'll try to paste it in here.

I surely wouldn't of bet but I would of ref for free lol

Lol. S'a shame it never came off, woulda been a classic.