advanced genetics

[CrazyRed]

seen folks linebred and inbreed with success and do the same and get shit. Seen folks never linebreed and always outcross have success and seen others fail. It was always more about selection than anything else.

[bolero]

seen folks linebred and inbreed with success and do the same and get shit. Seen folks never linebreed and always outcross have success and seen others fail. It was always more about selection than anything else.

i believe you but i would like to see what they consider outcrosses what some consider an outcross is really a family breeding. and you have to remember a lot of these lines are related. they may not have common ancestors in the first four generations but if you go back past that they are actually quite related.

for example take the nigger toby dog on paper looks like a complete outcross but if you believe the way eli is bred ( which i dont for a second) then eli and zebo are quite related just down through different families of dibo.

also what do you consider successfull because say i continually outcross and come up with one or two quality dogs that just is not what i would consider good. now if gthere were 2 quality dogs out of 4 total i would change my mind but say 2 out of 7 is a different story

Also like EWO said selection is everything no matter which way you breed. personally i really dont care which way people breed or even what anyone other than me is doing. this is just the way i am i dont worry about what the next man is doing unless it effects me directly

[CrazyRed]

i believe you but i would like to see what they consider outcrosses what some consider an outcross is really a family breeding. and you have to remember a lot of these lines are related. they may not have common ancestors in the first four generations but if you go back past that they are actually quite related.

I agree, when I speak to outcross I don't mean a family bred dog. For instance taking a heavy Dirty jersey bred dog and taking it to a Bolio dog i consider that breeding within the family. When i speak outcross i mean taking a inbred Hap dog and breeding that to an Eli dog.

for example take the nigger toby dog on paper looks like a complete outcross but if you believe the way eli is bred ( which i dont for a second) then eli and zebo are quite related just down through different families of dibo.

Once you get into believing how a dog is bred the argument changes. I believe either way if Eli is bred how stated by FB he is a heavy linebred Dibo dog. If you look at how DM stated, he's a grandson of Dibo with some Dibo on top.. Zebo is another linebred Dibo dog. Somehow or another they are family related, i do not believe Zebo to be off Eli at all though as some rumor to be.

also what do you consider successfull because say i continually outcross and come up with one or two quality dogs that just is not what i would consider good. now if gthere were 2 quality dogs out of 4 total i would change my mind but say 2 out of 7 is a different story.

to me success is winning and being able to maintain the ability to win in your program. Not many folks get 2 out of 4. Some will say it but not many get that in every litter, most folks get 2 out of 7 but you will only hear but the 2 that won and the ones that lost lol. Folks will say 2 out of 4 bc 2 won and 2 lost, 1 game and 1 quit so # wise it looks good but it really be 9 pups in the litter. 2 out of 7 isn't great but it's better than not getting no winners.

Also like EWO said selection is everything no matter which way you breed. personally i really dont care which way people breed or even what anyone other than me is doing. this is just the way i am i dont worry about what the next man is doing unless it effects me directly

I agree selection is everything, i never have concerns for any other man yard unless my opinion is asked from that individual.