underbite and genitics

[Milehighmisfit]

I've run Alligator dogs for 20 years. Lots of undershot animals. I've evolved as a owner, breeder, of course my eye has improved over 2 decades as well and one has to have a pretty solid package all the way around to be bred now at my place.

The problem I run into is that the undershot dogs I have, cannot - typically, be bred back into the Alligator side of things b/c their undershot can result in such excessive deformation it doesn't matter what the rest of them is b/c their muzzle is too short, teeth are jacked up, etc.

Look at and evaluate the WHOLE of the picture - not just one part.

I have this one http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=52033 and she is very undershot as is her mamma, Expresso. Expresso is one of Mr. Hammonds heaviest Alligator dogs and she has what I would consider an inbred looking dog but has produced some really nice bulldogs even when bred back into the family. My buddy had one off her and Zacatecas and man she was a well built dog but also was undershot. The littermates to my Java Express were these 3 males that looked like clones of each other and all had perfect scissor bites and nice muzzle length. In general though most of the dogs that I saw that came out of Expresso were not undershot so I would say this is a recessive trait for sure.

NQK,thanks for your input. Down the road I might breed this bitch and was thinking to something like this http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=53329 . Would you say this might be tight since she is already suffering from some unwanted recessive traits? Sorry to get off topic

[No Quarter Kennel]

I have this one http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=52033 and she is very undershot as is her mamma, Expresso. Expresso is one of Mr. Hammonds heaviest Alligator dogs and she has what I would consider an inbred looking dog but has produced some really nice bulldogs even when bred back into the family. My buddy had one off her and Zacatecas and man she was a well built dog but also was undershot. The littermates to my Java Express were these 3 males that looked like clones of each other and all had perfect scissor bites and nice muzzle length. In general though most of the dogs that I saw that came out of Expresso were not undershot so I would say this is a recessive trait for sure.

NQK,thanks for your input. Down the road I might breed this bitch and was thinking to something like this http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=53329 . Would you say this might be tight since she is already suffering from some unwanted recessive traits? Sorry to get off topic

Personally, I would never make that breeding. I consider that way too tight. Too much of the same with little to no complimenting factors or characteristics. My Hugo dog is a solid animal with great structure and a gene pool heavy in Hammonds but diverse in blood. I would take your bitch to something like him in the family or an out of some sort. Hugo is currently at Stud at GH's place.