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    ya but how do you pick the "pick of the litter"?i think jack said after all thoughs years with his dogs he almost always new what dogs were going to be the best dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid View Post
    ya but how do you pick the "pick of the litter"?i think jack said after all thoughs years with his dogs he almost always new what dogs were going to be the best dogs.
    Well that's because they all work out according to him. Lmfao...


    I pick by phenotype. Which ones look like the dog focused on in the pedigree. Every once in a blue moon I'll pick a different one but it's pretty rare. It's a gamble with a puppy and no one knows how they will turn out as an adult. NO ONE..... One can guess and be right but it's still just a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGK View Post
    Well that's because they all work out according to him. Lmfao...


    I pick by phenotype. Which ones look like the dog focused on in the pedigree. Every once in a blue moon I'll pick a different one but it's pretty rare. It's a gamble with a puppy and no one knows how they will turn out as an adult. NO ONE..... One can guess and be right but it's still just a guess.
    Your ignorance and inability to see quality in a litter is your own.

    MOST people, who have bred their own line (another key element that removes you from the discussion ), built a line on a particular dog (or small, related group of dogs), based on traits they set out to isolate, harness, and replicate.

    Only a blind man (or a dullard) cannot quickly see in their own pups, in their own line, which they developed with purpose over the years, which individuals express those traits more than others

    So yes, the common fool in dogs, running a hodgepodge of "other people's dogs" ... that he buys, collects, and keeps "mixing randomly together" ... never keeping or isolating anything ... will NEVER be able to see in his pups ... with the kind of clarity that a man who's bred his own line will be able to see in his dogs. Never in a million years.

    No one follows you for a reason AGK: and the reason is you've never said or done anything worth emulating ... remember that

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid View Post
    ya but how do you pick the "pick of the litter"?i think jack said after all thoughs years with his dogs he almost always new what dogs were going to be the best dogs.
    You keep them all or place them into good hands and surely a pick of the litter will pop up lol. Jack also bred a family, linebred & inbred on a few dogs who were his "flagship" animals and consistently threw what he wanted out of his animals. You won't know if your dogs will bite hard or not. Some lines are bred around mouth and even that don't guarantee that your pup will bite. Good health, good exercise and one day he will show you how hard he bites. Keep them all and then you will know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid View Post
    ya but how do you pick the "pick of the litter"?i think jack said after all thoughs years with his dogs he almost always new what dogs were going to be the best dogs.
    If you are breeding dogs well, there should be several fine picks in the litter, not just one.

    Still, there can sometimes be pups which are exemplary.

    Whether they are "game" or not should have been resolved in the breeding decisions made on the way up the genetic tree to where you're at.

    The more solid the percentages behind you (meaning the parents + their littermates; grandparents + their littermates, etc.), the less you even have to worry about that.

    The bigger holes in the percentages behind you, the more you will have to worry about gameness (and the less reason to even make the breeding in the first place).

    If you have a truly high-percentage, quality line you aren't "hoping" they will be game, you're pretty much confident that your pups will be gamer than the common bullshit out there.

    What you're tinkering with is the ability on top of the gameness.

    Some pups will simply be stronger and better than the others.

    For ability, you're pretty much narrowing it down to strength, speed, and intelligence.

    The breeder himself has to have a respectable degree of the latter in order to properly assess these traits.

    The balance/stance of the pups; how they move; how they play; what they do.

    If you are breeding your own family of dogs, and have repeatedly and consistently raised litters off the same line, all bred for the same style/purpose, then YES, you should easily be able to spot those pups who have achieved the "genetic bullseye."

    Most of your pups should "hit the target," but there will be one or two who may hit the bullseye (or pretty close to it).

    But if you're just randomly breeding dogs together, from different lines, with different traits, and with differing percentages behind them (that mostly can't even hit the target), then you're crap-shooting and not being very focused in your genetic selection.

    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    If you are breeding dogs well, there should be several fine picks in the litter, not just one.

    Still, there can sometimes be pups which are exemplary.

    Whether they are "game" or not should have been resolved in the breeding decisions made on the way up the genetic tree to where you're at.

    The more solid the percentages behind you (meaning the parents + their littermates; grandparents + their littermates, etc.), the less you even have to worry about that.

    The bigger holes in the percentages behind you, the more you will have to worry about gameness (and the less reason to even make the breeding in the first place).

    If you have a truly high-percentage, quality line you aren't "hoping" they will be game, you're pretty much confident that your pups will be gamer than the common bullshit out there.

    What you're tinkering with is the ability on top of the gameness.

    Some pups will simply be stronger and better than the others.

    For ability, you're pretty much narrowing it down to strength, speed, and intelligence.

    The breeder himself has to have a respectable degree of the latter in order to properly assess these traits.

    The balance/stance of the pups; how they move; how they play; what they do.

    If you are breeding your own family of dogs, and have repeatedly and consistently raised litters off the same line, all bred for the same style/purpose, then YES, you should easily be able to spot those pups who have achieved the "genetic bullseye."

    Most of your pups should "hit the target," but there will be one or two who may hit the bullseye (or pretty close to it).

    But if you're just randomly breeding dogs together, from different lines, with different traits, and with differing percentages behind them (that mostly can't even hit the target), then you're crap-shooting and not being very focused in your genetic selection.

    Jack
    good stuff

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