The Undesirables

[Officially Retired]

Jack I completely agree with the whole of what you are saying. I absolutely do not think this dog was a cur at all. He was conditioned perfectly in my opinion, he was healthy, he was calm cool and collected, not shy. The only thing negative I have to say about him is he was not schooled properly. At least that is why I contribute the couple goofy moves he made which did not hinder him in any way shape or form because he was mostly ahead and staying busy. He had the tools he needed and used them well. I thoroughly appreciate your contribution to this conversation.
S_B

Again, I don't subscribe to the "game or cur" theory.

I agree and think the dog sounds like a green prospect with some talent.

The foot has a ton of nerve endings on it, and a green tired dog is a green tired dog.

Whether he would take his death, or not, is of no importance.

Whether he has the ability to win, and runs his scratches good, is all that matters.

Hesitating on a scratch bothers me more than a confused, dominant, young dog on top.

Is the dog an ace? Hardly.
IMO, I want to see my dog with DOG in his mouth ... or trying to GET dog in his mouth.
When I see any dog just sitting there, not trying to get dog in his mouth, I am looking at a replaceable animal IMO.

Dogs that lay out of holds, when ahead, or who stay on top (like king of the mountain) are only peripheral-quality dogs to me, regardless of other talents.

It is a form of "lack of focus" to me, which can easily be translated into lack of gameness.

That said, if the dog is young, I wouldn't be judging him yet.

But if it was an experienced dog, I certainly wouldn't build a bloodline on him.

What is the age and # of rolls under its belt?

Jack

[S_B]

Again, I don't subscribe to the "game or cur" theory.

I agree and think the dog sounds like a green prospect with some talent.

I do subscribe to both labels, but I certainly think each have levels to them. I agree he was green.

The foot has a ton of nerve endings on it, and a green tired dog is a green tired dog.

Whether he would take his death, or not, is of no importance.

Yep, seen good dogs get upset with a foot hold! Right, what is important in the aspect we are speaking is can he win? And yes he did.

Whether he has the ability to win, and runs his scratches good, is all that matters.

That's right!

Hesitating on a scratch bothers me more than a confused, dominant, young dog on top.

Is the dog an ace? Hardly.

Agree

IMO, I want to see my dog with DOG in his mouth ... or trying to GET dog in his mouth.
When I see any dog just sitting there, not trying to get dog in his mouth, I am looking at a replaceable animal IMO.

Dogs that lay out of holds, when ahead, or who stay on top (like king of the mountain) are only peripheral-quality dogs to me, regardless of other talents.

I agree, not the case with this particular dog at all. He just had a few very brief moments of collecting his thoughts. At least how I look at it as the rest of the entire time he was busy. You call it "dog in mouth" I call it "busy", same thing.

It is a form of "lack of focus" to me, which can easily be translated into lack of gameness.

This is golden...no focus no will. The will to continue is the defining term in a game display.

That said, if the dog is young, I wouldn't be judging him yet.

Agreed

But if it was an experienced dog, I certainly wouldn't build a bloodline on him.
Jack

I don't think the dog was schooled enough, to me the moves looked to be frustration out of never being in a defensive position. He's a pretty good little dog who I bet will look the part next time.

S_B

[Officially Retired]

I don't think the dog was schooled enough, to me the moves looked to be frustration out of never being in a defensive position. He's a pretty good little dog who I bet will look the part next time.
S_B

There is nothing wrong with a pretty good little dog.

I remember Jack Kelley saying he watched Tudor's Ch Spike walk away from downed, beaten opponents ... and lots of observers has lots of "opinions" to give about that ... but, when asked to scratch, Spike would fly across and resume the demolition.

Not every dog needs to be "perfect" in every way (almost zero are, quite frankly).

If he's talented enough to dominate, and as long as he's "flying over there" when separated and given the chance to go back, that is all he has to do.

Jack