Dog Cloning

[Black Hand]

Ken Allen and tornado are actually great example of why cloning could be beneficial. A lot of focus is on the performance side, but I really don't know too many people who would spend that kind of money to clone an already great dog only to risk losing it. Tornado was not bred much, most of her career revolved around performance. We also really don't know the prolonged effect anabolics had on her either. Hence, there is not much tornado blood around. Had she been cloned, tornado dogs may have a very different place in today's world.

[Officially Retired]

Seems like cheating to me. I mean why clone what was instead of creating what will be?

A big part of a dog's worth in our fraternity hinges a lot on who, what, when, why and where....sure the dog's genetics play a role, but if not in the right hands things may not get realized. So unless you clone Ken Allen and Tornado don't expect the same results.

S_B

Ken Allen and tornado are actually great example of why cloning could be beneficial. A lot of focus is on the performance side, but I really don't know too many people who would spend that kind of money to clone an already great dog only to risk losing it. Tornado was not bred much, most of her career revolved around performance. We also really don't know the prolonged effect anabolics had on her either. Hence, there is not much tornado blood around. Had she been cloned, tornado dogs may have a very different place in today's world.

I have to agree with S_B.

I would think that a better program could be created by line-/inbreeding on Tornado than by cloning.

And certainly cheaper

What would you rather do?
Spend $40,000 on cloning "one" IMPERFECT Tornado ...
Or ...
Breed Tornado back to her daddy one heat (and get 6-8 pups) ... back to her half-brother the next heat (and get 6-8 pups) ... and then to her baddest, most-close SONS after that?

I would say any dogman would be WAY further along "preserving Tornado" that way, by making key family breedings with her, than by getting "one" (alleged) clone of her.

FACT: Ultimately, you have to do BREEDINGS to preserve traits

Even in a best case scenario, spending $40,000 for "one" pup (that might die of parvo, get bit by a snake, etc.) will NEVER be as effective as quality breeding management

You get MORE pups (options, etc.) by making BREEDINGS than you do by spending a small fortune to clone "a" dog.

Jack

PS: Tornado's traits were lost because Ken Allen wasn't a breeder, he was a dog fighter.

[Officially Retired]

Let me add something:

Would Fletcher Chavis and David Tant have done a better job creating their bloodlines "cloning" Yellow John and Yellow ... or did they do just fine by LINE- and INBREEDING on them?

Jack

[Black Hand]

Let me add something:

Would Fletcher Chavis and David Tant have done a better job creating their bloodlines "cloning" Yellow John and Yellow ... or did they do just fine by LINE- and INBREEDING on them?

Jack

I do not think it has to be one VS the other. You can use both simultaneously. I would prefer to use on a female since you can breed the balls off a male and freeze his semen if need be. But a female, much more limited.

[Officially Retired]

I do not think it has to be one VS the other. You can use both simultaneously. I would prefer to use on a female since you can breed the balls off a male and freeze his semen if need be. But a female, much more limited.

True.

I think cloning is unnecessary, and could even be looked at as stagnating.