Pandi (shoulda, coulda, woulda), that I don't know. I'll say I have never known or heard of Mike ducking anyone, but I could be wrong. Fact is she made GR CH and looked damn good doing it. The only thing that puts a damper on her carrier is we will never know how she could done if she spent more time in the brood box. I don't know much about Tec, but I would say he was a hell of a start.

Really, you can't look past Matt, that is crazy! If he was JUST the breeder, Tom was JUST the money. If I wanted a (morocco/mike/tuffy/or a poodle), Tom would NOT be my POC (not banging on Tom). IMO, Matt is a dogmans dogman, but that's me. BIBO and I were just talking to about this very thing the two weeks ago, and it really came down to what you call a dogman? I am new to the forum, not the work.

Anyway, I digress, the post was about the dogs not the breeders/owners.

As for the dog, he was a general. He made ROM in a short but productive stud carrier. % wise if you dump all the breedings that never happened and really took a head count on the dogs, you'll see that he was a very good producer. Out of his litter of 4 dogs (1-CH/ROM male, 1-1x male, 1-ROM female) As a line the dogs they have been held hostage, IMO. If Victor or Jack would have owned the dog, his carrier would have taken a different track. One way or another...