$200 PUPS = GOOD "WORKING MAN" PRICE ... OR A DISGRACE TO THE BREED???

[Officially Retired]

I would like to hear a poll of opinions.

I see people post their $200 puppies, and personally it makes me sick. One guy was selling pups for $75!

Really? That's all you think of your pups? Of your bloodline? Of your own assessment and selection process ... that any broke-dick should be able to get them?

Or do I have it wrong?

I would like to hear HONEST opinions ... if you REALLY know how to produce good dogs, I mean seriously good dogs, and you were going to sell them ... what would your price be?

Feedback please ...

[BSK]

$500 minimum. Right now the Breedings I'm doing will Be $800 -$1K. I feel if they can't afford to buy them they can't afford to properly take care of them & for sure will never use them. The $100-$200 dogmen are the guys bringing shame to the real sportsmen of the Breed. They can't afford proper chains,hardware,meds & supplements, etc. They are truly disgraces to the Breed & sport.

[Jackattack8413]

There are plenty of scumbags out there with more money then good sense, people who don't put in honest work for their money yet watch it come in hand over fist. These people don't have a true appreciation of the value of a dollar and aren't willing to get off their ass and scoop shit. There are also many honest people with families that bust their ass 40+ hours a week to provide for their household and their charges that may not have the extra 1000 it would take to bring a new one to the yard. My point is if you are selling to the general public the price tag you put on the pup will not be the deciding factor in the quality of hands it lands in. When I do a breeding I will do it because I honestly feel I am doing my best to improve the quality of the line of dogs I'm breeding and at the end of the day I will give pups to people I feel have the dogs and breeds best interest in mind before I will put a $800-$1000 dollar price tag to the highest bidder just because I think man with a larger bankroll will be the better provider for my hard work. If you are selling to the general public the price you put on your pups is merely your own desire for personal gain not a reflection of your concern for where your pup ends up. Just my two cents.

[Jackattack8413]

My ability to consistently produce "good" dogs still remains to be seen so my opinion may not be valid here

[Officially Retired]

Vote!

[Officially Retired]

Couple things:

Just because you have a decent price on your pups doesn't mean you'll sell them to "the highest bidder."
You can say NO to any customer who sounds like a dumbass.
Just because someone busts his ass for 40 hours a week doesn't entitle them to my dogs.

I bust my ass about 70 hours a week ... does that mean I can help myself to what you have?

The two have nothing to do with each other.

My prices are based on 1) my knowledge of what I am doing; 2) the % record of success I've laid down previously, for a lot of years; 3) the % turnout I expect; 4) and the amount of regular-priced pups a man would have to buy to get one as good as what I am breeding.

If a guy sells his pups for $500 that is an average price for a nothing-bred dog, from a guy who never bred a winner. That is just MHO.

I personally believe that any well-bred pup, from a guy who's winning with what he breeds/sells, ought to be $800 minimum ... with some truly selective-bred pups being worth $1500 - priceless.

I guess my point is, you only get to where you aim ... so why not set your sights high?

Jack

[Jackattack8413]

I'm still at a point where I don't need/want to sell at all I just want to keep cull and be honest with myself and my dogs. Wasn't a shot at you or anyone who sales dogs just my thoughts as a novice.

[gotap_d]

What does working man consist of. This sport draws people from all walks of life and all professions. From professional athletes, lawyers, doctors, teachers, garbage men all the way to old timers living on a social security check or some other sort of fixed income. Its up to the seller to put a value on the pups he had produced from his program if someone can afford the pup and like it so be it. If someone cant afford it then keep it moving. I have never sold a pup to anyone. Anything I breed I keep or send to kennel partners which is just an extension of myself. As far as buying a pup for anything over 500$ I will never do it as long as people are selling prospects from 500-1500$. Jmo.

[Nut]

im not a breeder, but when i breed i rather give a pup to a friend/good dogman for free then that i would collect 5000 from a stranger. Not that someone will pay that, but to make the statement. Last litter i agreed 2 pups for studservice. Gave them 4 because i had 8, because i know they will be in good hands.

if ur asking less then 800 for any taker, imo u dont respect ur dogs or yourself. 200 is ridiculous.

[EWO]

I'm a working man as well. I am not sure what it means but it has been/is used as a marketing tool to hopefully lower the price of something being bought or lure someone in to something being sold. I doubt there is an accurate/all covering definition of 'working man' in regards to the buying and selling of dogs.

So far the poll shows 100% toward the NO side of the opinion, until I just voted YES.

My YES vote really has nothing to do with the dogs involved, their quality, their price or the efforts that went into their arrival. The buyer always dictates the 'value' of anything purchased. It is basic economics. If I want $1000 for my puppy and no one is willing to pay that amount then what I think or want really does not matter. If I put a $1000 on him to avoid 'newspaper' shoppers their are plenty of shit heads with $1000. If I put $300 on him to 'get him in the right hands', again plenty of shit heads have $300.

I understand the intent of the poll, and if I did not have a degree in economics, and did not see a price change of $0.03 having millions of dollars of effect to the bottom line each quarter, and seeing where in the fiercest of price negotiations, what a person/company is willing to pay ends up being the 'ultimate factor'...I would vote NO as well.

The economy can stipulate a price but economics dictate its value. A person could start selling puppies for $300 and in each sequential litter go up $100. Regardless of his successes as a breeder, the eventual successes of the dog or the 'subjective value' of their relationship, in time the price will not be met and that is the value of the puppy.

I factor in if that is the puppy I want. Is it coming from what I want? Is there a really good chance it will take me where I want to go? If it is three answers of YES, then I pay the amount that is being asked. If it is $500 or $1500, for me, does not factor, it is the three questions above. EWO