Originally Posted by EWO
Can't agree with that, really at all.Those same guys will say inbreed and then outcross. When that actually works odds are the outcross was better than the animals being inbred. If you have to go over there to get it, one should have been over there from the start. EWO
Suppose I have a highly-linebred bitch who has everything (speed, timing, reflexes, brains, air, the style I like, etc.) ... except she doesn't have a heavy mouth.
But I want to outcross her to mouthy dog down from a line known for heavy mouth in crease the mouth in my dogs a bit?
Does that mean I should shitcan my whole game, intelligent, longwinded yard ... just to "have mouthy dogs" ... even if those dogs SUCK as overall athletes compared to what I have?
Suppose that the heavy mouth dog doesn't have her speed, doesn't have her moves, doesn't have her style, etc. ... but he has the MOUTH I want ... comes from mouth ... and so I breed to that dog?
Suppose I then breed the best male back to my bitch, to double-up on what I like, and push the influence of that stud down a notch.
Typically, 3/4, 1/4 crosses have always been awesome.
My bitch might outclass the shit out of the "mouthy male" I bred to in a fight at even weight. He may never get his mouth on her one time.
Just because I bred to that male doesn't mean that he is "better," or his line is "better"; it means he has ONE trait I am looking to add to my (overall FAR better) dog and line.
But if I had to make an "either-or" decision, I would rather keep my line pure, and have everything BUT mouth ... than to lose everything I have to say, "I bite hard."
Most mouthy lines aren't known for gameness.
Most truly game lines aren't known for mouth.
All throughout history, dogmen have mixed inbred individuals from mouthy lines with lines known for gameness to "get it all" ... and I reckon this will always be the case.
Jack
Can't agree with that, really at all.
Suppose I have a highly-linebred bitch who has everything (speed, timing, reflexes, brains, air, the style I like, etc.) ... except she doesn't have a heavy mouth.
But I want to outcross her to mouthy dog down from a line known for heavy mouth in crease the mouth in my dogs a bit?
Does that mean I should shitcan my whole game, intelligent, longwinded yard ... just to "have mouthy dogs" ... even if those dogs SUCK as overall athletes compared to what I have?
Suppose that the heavy mouth dog doesn't have her speed, doesn't have her moves, doesn't have her style, etc. ... but he has the MOUTH I want ... comes from mouth ... and so I breed to that dog?
Suppose I then breed the best male back to my bitch, to double-up on what I like, and push the influence of that stud down a notch.
Typically, 3/4, 1/4 crosses have always been awesome.
My bitch might outclass the shit out of the "mouthy male" I bred to in a fight at even weight. He may never get his mouth on her one time.
Just because I bred to that male doesn't mean that he is "better," or his line is "better"; it means he has ONE trait I am looking to add to my (overall FAR better) dog and line.
But if I had to make an "either-or" decision, I would rather keep my line pure, and have everything BUT mouth ... than to lose everything I have to say, "I bite hard."
Most mouthy lines aren't known for gameness.
Most truly game lines aren't known for mouth.
All throughout history, dogmen have mixed inbred individuals from mouthy lines with lines known for gameness to "get it all" ... and I reckon this will always be the case.
Jack
or.... How about breed together two game lines that aren't known for mouth but are both game as can be, maybe the other game line is known for tough skin and really good air, traits that a high ability fast pace intelligent dog can use... and watch the mouth appear from nowhere!
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