Quote Originally Posted by Stoneline View Post
I would disagree on the comparison between Ali, Hagler and Chavez. In my opinion Ali is the polar opposite of Hagler and Chavez.

Hagler was a devastating puncher 62 wins with 52 kos. He put constant pressure from the start to the end and most of his kos were in the first half of the fight! Take two or three flush punches from Hagler and it was lights out. He was not a puncher like Liston, Jackson or Tyson but at the time he was probably the hardest punching middleweight.

Chavez was a pressure fighter too but not near the level of Hagler. He too was a very hard puncher not the one punch ko specialist but still he is the total opposite of Ali.

Both Hagler and Chavez were devastating body punchers while Ali has went entire fights without throwing one shot to the body.

What I would say these fighters had in common was their durability their heart and their chins.

Now I don't usually compare dogs to human athletes/fighters but if I were to I would not use boxers I would choose to compare them to amateur wrestlers, Jiu Jitsu practitioners or MMA fighters. These dogs are in constant contact when hunting where as boxers are rarely in contact like this except in a clinch.

So if I were to choose a fighter to explain the type of dogs I like I would say Cain Velasquez. Constant pressure can finish fast but if not he can go the distance and still win.

If I were to choose a boxer then yes Hagler would be the top of the list without doubt!

I understand Hagler and Chavez had different styles from Ali. You're right.

I didn't mean for my point to be lost in arguing human fighters; but to be made that (1) NONE of these fighters was a 1-punch KO artist; (2) NO ONE could just walk out there and steamroll these fighters; and (3) these fighters BEAT harder punchers than they were.

My point was I prefer these types of all-around, good, tough fighters (whether they be rock-durable pressure fighters, or rock-durable slick fighters) to "big punchers" that ultimately prove lacking in other departments, as is so often the case.

Jack

PS: To say that Chavez was "not at the level" of Hagler is absolutely wrong. Chavez had a better record, and a higher-KO percentage at his best weight (Junior Lightweight) than Hagler. Chavez was absolutely on the same level, if not a higher level, pound-for-pound, than Hagler when both were in their primes. So too did Monzon. None of these fighters were 1-punch KO artists. All were authentically-tough, authentically-game, WELL ROUNDED fighters, that could stand up to anything that was thrown at them, never falter, and would systematically dismantle their opponents and get them in the end.