Question about Johnston's Goofy

[CYJ]

Ditto STA8541, Sometimes for the good or the bad. Male and even bitch dogs have been bred during their contract careers. Even some quitting or controversial dogs have even had their names changed and still bred. If you had all those older dog magazine's you would see a lot of dogs that are in most pedigrees today that stood the line for one reason or the other.

Before I name a few, I will name some in my own dogs line up. First was Mayfield's Snake, who after I had a litter off Snake. Was told in Snake's third match, while literally putting the coup de grace on a down dog just turned lose and ran from the dog and rowdy, noisy crowd.

For the younger dog men today and not making excuses for that Snake dog. To play it safe, be very aware of a sneaky little device called a Dog Stopper or Stop Attack Dog Siren device. We used them along with red pepper mace, when I worked for the telephone company. Have stopped a serious charging Rottweiler with one of those sirens. Will put their head in the ground, that Rottweiler looked like he hit a brick wall. The owner got pissed with me, cause he perceived I had hurt his dog. Told the owner, be glad the dog siren worked, the mace was coming out next. Then praying and running, all at the same time. LOL

A dog can hear this sound contraption, but humans cannot and is easily concealed in the hand. Have seen and heard of known rough winning dogs on top all the way, finishing off the other dog. Just up and turn loose and run away. This usually is heard of when it is a big money event. Like that fellow that I knew that took out a second mortgage on his house and bet all the money. I might add that poor fellow had a family and took his life a week later from that lose. If that devise was used, that person involved has that man's blood on his hands to this day. Notice I said IF. I find that to be a very strange turn around of events. Most dogs standing on top on all four feet, that are winning whether a Hard biting Cur or Hard biting Game dog will not just up and run away. Not even rank cur yard dogs do that while fighting for dominance. Just,IMHO.

Back on subject, yet two years later got the best match performing bitches I ever owned off the Snake dog. The males even losing good matches were so so compared to those bitches out of that litter. Don up and sold Snake,I and Truett tried to relocate the Snake dog, new owner and dog vanished to be never heard of again. I wanted two or three more litters like that.

Then I have later in V.J.'s dogs the infamous dog Harley I bred up, that BHoss (Ben) rants about on the on lines pedigree site. Then there is Bully Son, Bully Son Jr, Boudreaux's Scrub, the A. Brewer's Snooty dog, J. Crenshaw's Rascal stood the line as a young dog in it's first hard fought match. Rebel Kennels bred from some cull dogs of J. Crenshaw's stock and got some good match dogs.

There was the controversial Snakeman's Pedro dog? Sadly for every good dog we see in these dog pedigrees there will be many controversial dogs shown as well. Why ProjectX was beating on a dead mule over the Boudreaux Blind Billy birth date issue.

This is now hearsay, since I no longer have my magazines, but I know it was reported in the SDJ. A certain known dog that today is in some pedigrees, lost it's match when it quit or jumped the pit. Jack allowed the dog's name in the write up to be changed to the name Spot. V.J. later asked him why? The reply was that dog man does a lot of advertising in my magazine. LOL

One thing I had to learn was when I or who ever points the finger at other dog men's dog yards. I understand we may have to defend ourselves if said person rants on and on ignoring the defective dogs in their own dog yard. That there are four fingers pointing back at yourself. What goes around usually comes around. A older dog man told me one time that the day, another person wishes to start paying half my dog food bill and Veterinarian bills etc. Help clean up these dog runs daily. They can have a say in what I do or do not do with my dogs. Until, these dogs are mine to do what I wish with them. Cheers

[STA8541]

Ditto STA8541, Sometimes for the good or the bad. Male and even bitch dogs have been bred during their contract careers. Even some quitting or controversial dogs have even had their names changed and still bred. If you had all those older dog magazine's you would see a lot of dogs that are in most pedigrees today that stood the line for one reason or the other.

Before I name a few, I will name some in my own dogs line up. First was Mayfield's Snake, who after I had a litter off Snake. Was told in Snake's third match, while literally putting the coup de grace on a down dog just turned lose and ran from the dog and rowdy, noisy crowd.

For the younger dog men today and not making excuses for that Snake dog. To play it safe, be very aware of a sneaky little device called a Dog Stopper or Stop Attack Dog Siren device. We used them along with red pepper mace, when I worked for the telephone company. Have stopped a serious charging Rottweiler with one of those sirens. Will put their head in the ground, that Rottweiler looked like he hit a brick wall. The owner got pissed with me, cause he perceived I had hurt his dog. Told the owner, be glad the dog siren worked, the mace was coming out next. Then praying and running, all at the same time. LOL

A dog can hear this sound contraption, but humans cannot and is easily concealed in the hand. Have seen and heard of known rough winning dogs on top all the way, finishing off the other dog. Just up and turn loose and run away. This usually is heard of when it is a big money event. Like that fellow that I knew that took out a second mortgage on his house and bet all the money. I might add that poor fellow had a family and took his life a week later from that lose. If that devise was used, that person involved has that man's blood on his hands to this day. Notice I said IF. I find that to be a very strange turn around of events. Most dogs standing on top on all four feet, that are winning whether a Hard biting Cur or Hard biting Game dog will not just up and run away. Not even rank cur yard dogs do that while fighting for dominance. Just,IMHO.

Back on subject, yet two years later got the best match performing bitches I ever owned off the Snake dog. The males even losing good matches were so so compared to those bitches out of that litter. Don up and sold Snake,I and Truett tried to relocate the Snake dog, new owner and dog vanished to be never heard of again. I wanted two or three more litters like that.

Then I have later in V.J.'s dogs the infamous dog Harley I bred up, that BHoss (Ben) rants about on the on lines pedigree site. Then there is Bully Son, Bully Son Jr, Boudreaux's Scrub, the A. Brewer's Snooty dog, J. Crenshaw's Rascal stood the line as a young dog in it's first hard fought match. Rebel Kennels bred from some cull dogs of J. Crenshaw's stock and got some good match dogs.

There was the controversial Snakeman's Pedro dog? Sadly for every good dog we see in these dog pedigrees there will be many controversial dogs shown as well. Why ProjectX was beating on a dead mule over the Boudreaux Blind Billy birth date issue.

This is now hearsay, since I no longer have my magazines, but I know it was reported in the SDJ. A certain known dog that today is in some pedigrees, lost it's match when it quit or jumped the pit. Jack allowed the dog's name in the write up to be changed to the name Spot. V.J. later asked him why? The reply was that dog man does a lot of advertising in my magazine. LOL

One thing I had to learn was when I or who ever points the finger at other dog men's dog yards. I understand we may have to defend ourselves if said person rants on and on ignoring the defective dogs in their own dog yard. That there are four fingers pointing back at yourself. What goes around usually comes around. A older dog man told me one time that the day, another person wishes to start paying half my dog food bill and Veterinarian bills etc. Help clean up these dog runs daily. They can have a say in what I do or do not do with my dogs. Until, these dogs are mine to do what I wish with them. Cheers

Thank you for your extensive & detailed response. I never even heard of that dog stopper siren, that's incredible. I love it when an owner who can't or won't control his dog gets mad at YOU for defending yourself! Classic. I would have told him it could've been my sidearm that stopped his mutt, but that's just me. And I totally agree that a dog that is winning all the way should not be jumping the wall. Very strange. I have heard it said that cheating in contests is counterproductive as you are trying to find out which is the more game animal & cheating robs you of that knowledge. But that sounds more like a breeder's perspective (& perhaps a naive one at that). I'm assuming it is done by the handlers, as you say, for the $ they collect from their winning bets plus the contract purse. I think it sucks that some people feel the need to cheat. The game is tough enough as it is w/out that nonsense.

I guess as to breeding culls & dogs standing the line & etc., whatever goes into gameness, genetically, can get rescrambled in a positive way w/certain breedings, at least sometimes. I really can't figure it out! I would have a hugely hard time breeding a dog that did that, but that doesn't mean you can't get good results now & then. Obviously, it happens.

What was controversial about Snakeman's Pedro? Was he labeled a front-running cur or something? I only ever heard he was a mighty fine dog; perhaps now I'M being the naive one! I do know there are some controversial dogs, especially ones that are deemed great. Going Light Barney leaps to mind, but there are many. You hear all kinds of stories you can hardly get to the end of trying to untangle them! I saw an article on Panama Red that swore up & down there were all kinds of shenanigans w/that dog, for example. And I had no idea somebody tried to falsify Blind Billy's birth date. I need to get up to speed, obviously, I'm way behind the curve here!

There are always going to be a good percentage of defective dogs in everybody's yard; I have no idea why anyone would try to point the finger about that. Just breed your own dogs & let the matches tell the story of how well you are doing. I know it can get irritating listening to some fella pop off all the time. Totally agree w/you: what goes around, comes around. Some people call it karma, others the universe restoring the balance. Me? I call it divine justice. Goes on long enough, you usually see folks like that get their comeuppance, in my experience. Thanks again for your response.