I absolutely agree with your full post but I like this part the most!Originally Posted by CA Jack
I absolutely agree with your full post but I like this part the most!
Yep.I absolutely agree with your full post but I like this part the most!
Most knowledgeable people realize even the greatest of dogs can lose when they step up in class and face other truly great dogs
For example, and once again, just recently the great Gr Ch Homer Balboa (6xW) was also a 6xW, a BIS, and DOY winner ... and yet he lost when he faced another great dog in Gr Ch Titere (7xW) ... who is now a DOY also. (Lotta Eli/Carver in that dog)
Furthermore, even if a person takes his great dog, and spot-picks and goes into "no name" dogs, he can still lose and get his ass handed to him, if it's a genuinely good and well-bred dog.
As yet another example in this RB/J-Eli/Carver debate, the great Eli/Carver (Rascal/Honeybunch) dog Hardcore's Ch Doogie was a 4xW and a DOY.
Doogie had defeated Keystone's CH Stryker and he had whipped Gr Ch Yellow's brother, the pure RBJ Tant's Ch Rocko (4xW), stopping Rocko from achieving his own Grand Championship.
(Same pattern, folks ...)
Yet when Hardcore took his great, 2-Champion-killer, and faced the NOBODY Ram ... who had his own little Eli/Carver dog Flash ... the great, titled Ch Doogie DOY ... LOST.
Granted, it was a 2:50 loss ... and, granted again, nobody knew Flash would grow up to be Champion Flash ... brother to Gr Ch Bossman (12xW) ... but he was another Eli/Carver dog
But that *is* the way things can go out there ...
All of these dogs are great dogs being talked about ...
Yet, actually winning 7 (let alone 10!) is a very rare thing indeed ... especially when facing the absolute best to be had in the sport of dogs.
Ken Allen and the A-Team tried to win 10x with at least 4 different Grand Champions.
- The pure RBJ dog Gr Ch Zinc (6xW) failed when he tried into the pure Eli/Carver Gr Ch Sampson (5xW).
- Even the UNK-bred Gr Ch Dooley (8xW) failed in 2:48 when he tried into Carver/Heinzl-bred Gr Ch Melonhead (14xW).
- The pure Carver/Bolio Gr Ch Robert T (9xW), who had the best resume of any dog mentioned here, still lost #10 into the UNK-bred Tito's Ch Ninja.
- ONLY the great Eli/Corvino-bred Gr Ch Tornado finally made it to 10x for Ken Allen & Co ... but she didn't do it facing other Chs & Gr Chs ...
So it's a lot more difficult to actually DO this, historically, than it is to project about it.
Especially when facing the kind of dogs Ken Allen and The A-Team faced back in the heyday of the APBT ...
But, if you pay attention, history does have a tendency to repeat itself ... and the same, basic combinations are the ones which are able to go the highest ...
While other very good combinations do build a consistent, very respectable record ... but almost invariably get weeded-out after 5-6x ... and never seem to rise up to the very highest altitudes
Jack
awesome topic Jack, but Ram's Ch Flash was only a 3x winner http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...?dog_id=422665 , seen two of his shows. He was off Ch Rattler and the full brother to Ch Big Bossman this ped is wrong. I also agree with you 100%
Thank you for the clarification.
I don't know the particulars on Ch Flash, but I thought he made it to 5 and then was stolen.
I am not sure, so if you are closer to the dog and know he was only a 3xW, then I will correct the information.
I am almost 100% sure Ram was shot and killed while he was walking Flash, and that the dog was stolen from him (tragic), so thanks for taking the time to correct any misinformation.
Great dog and (I hope) points made, regardless.
Cheers,
Jack
Yep.
Most knowledgeable people realize even the greatest of dogs can lose when they step up in class and face other truly great dogs
For example, and once again, just recently the great Gr Ch Homer Balboa (6xW) was also a 6xW, a BIS, and DOY winner ... and yet he lost when he faced another great dog in Gr Ch Titere (7xW) ... who is now a DOY also. (Lotta Eli/Carver in that dog
Furthermore, even if a person takes his great dog, and spot-picks and goes into "no name" dogs, he can still lose and get his ass handed to him, if it's a genuinely good and well-bred dog.
As yet another example in this RB/J-Eli/Carver debate, the great Eli/Carver (Rascal/Honeybunch) dog Hardcore's Ch Doogie was a 4xW and a DOY.
Doogie had defeated Keystone's CH Stryker and he had whipped Gr Ch Yellow's brother, the pure RBJ Tant's Ch Rocko (4xW), stopping Rocko from achieving his own Grand Championship.
(Same pattern, folks ...)
Yet when Hardcore took his great, 2-Champion-killer, and faced the NOBODY Ram ... who had his own little Eli/Carver dog Flash ... the great, titled Ch Doogie DOY ... LOST.
Granted, it was a 2:50 loss ... and, granted again, nobody knew Flash would grow up to be Champion Flash ... brother to Gr Ch Bossman (12xW) ... but he was another Eli/Carver dog
But that *is* the way things can go out there ...
All of these dogs are great dogs being talked about ...
Yet, actually winning 7 (let alone 10!) is a very rare thing indeed ... especially when facing the absolute best to be had in the sport of dogs.
Ken Allen and the A-Team tried to win 10x with at least 4 different Grand Champions.
- The pure RBJ dog Gr Ch Zinc (6xW) failed when he tried into the pure Eli/Carver Gr Ch Sampson (5xW).
- Even the UNK-bred Gr Ch Dooley (8xW) failed in 2:48 when he tried into Carver/Heinzl-bred Gr Ch Melonhead (14xW).
- The pure Carver/Bolio Gr Ch Robert T (9xW), who had the best resume of any dog mentioned here, still lost #10 into the UNK-bred Tito's Ch Ninja.
- ONLY the great Eli/Corvino-bred Gr Ch Tornado finally made it to 10x for Ken Allen & Co ... but she didn't do it facing other Chs & Gr Chs ...
So it's a lot more difficult to actually DO this, historically, than it is to project about it.
Especially when facing the kind of dogs Ken Allen and The A-Team faced back in the heyday of the APBT ...
But, if you pay attention, history does have a tendency to repeat itself ... and the same, basic combinations are the ones which are able to go the highest ...
While other very good combinations do build a consistent, very respectable record ... but almost invariably get weeded-out after 5-6x ... and never seem to rise up to the very highest altitudes
Jack
Jack, this is Tito and the local boys Ch Ninja http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=21672
Eli/Ironhead
Thank you!
Am I correct in believing this dog to be a 4xW?
Correct, he was a 4xw; 1xl who defeated Ch Mr Rodgers in his second, and lost to a bolo/clouse dog in his 5th (many believe he should have been retired after #2, and was a shell of his former self by #5).
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