Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
but to classify them together with all carved dogs is like saying the penicillin you buy at the feed store is the same as vancomycin. It's not.
Well, we're classifying all the RBJ dogs into one hat too, are we not?

And, no matter how you slice them, or mix them, the RBJ combination, by iteself, is NOT winning as many contests as ANY of the Eli/Carver combinations ... unless THEY TOO have Eli/Carver in them ... which combo already wins at that level WITHOUT RBJ

So, which combo truly is "the winningest" then?

I can even be more specific, and say IRONHEAD/BLACK WIDOW dogs ... and the record of these dogs STILL trumps every single pure RBJ combination that every existed




Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
Yeah.. you can bring Eli carved for mouth, ,but unless it's got any tombstone Bolio or redboy jocko, they seldom make 45 minutes if they run into one that can give it as good as they can.
That is flat out untrue. Again, the greatest, winningest dogs EVER are not RBJ. Only Barracuda is up there, and he is not pure.

I agree that Bolio dogs are among, if not THE greatest Carver dogs ever ... but there are PLENTY of Boomer/Satch/ButcherBoy/Honeybunch (and a host of other) Carver dogs that have gone the route and achieved the highest accolades in APBT history. Almost all of them are Ironhead/BlackWidow-type dogs.



Quote Originally Posted by evolutionkennels View Post
Mouth does give a lot of dogs a free food pass. And you may see an 8xw, 7xw with all that good ole Eli blood,but what you don't talk about is the 8 siblings that quit.
I agree with you that pure Eli dogs are nowhere near as consistently game as some of the other lines ... but ELI/CARVER dogs are a whole different deal, and THESE are what have REPEATEDLY AND CONSISTENTLY produced THE BEST dogs in the world, more than any other combination, ever.

And I don't run that line either, I am not promoting "myself," so I have no dog in this fight.
I am just trying to be ACCURATE in what I say based on THE HISTORICAL FACTS that are easily searched and proven here.

That does not mean that my line, or your line, or even Sonny's line haven't produced great dogs. THEY HAVE.

It just means that THE multi-winningest cross isn't RBJ, it's Eli/Carver.

Jack