This can go on and on ,but you nc look back in their Peds and it goes back east .Originally Posted by CA Jack
Most of the great dogmen came from the east coast? Really?
What all-time great names are better than Tudor and Carver, who were western dogmen?
Seems to me, most eastern dogmen got their foundation dogs from western dogmen
Jack
Right. Exactly. The west made the east.
From the western dogmen Carver and Mayfield
Yes it can, but the best, most historical, most influential dogmen are not from North Carolina ... they're western dogmen.
The great western dogmen are the ones who set the eastern dogmen up
In fact, Tom Garner got his two most influential dogs (Chinaman and Frisco) from the western dogman Vince Romero.
All his other dogs (even the ones with Crenshaw in them) came from the west, as Crenshaw likewise got his best dogs from the western dogman Maurice Carver also.
Jack
Bass,Teal,Skinner,Hemphill,Oneal,Colby and the list goes on
Ive had alot of diff. bloodlines over 30 plus yrs and dont consider myself a breeder but can say ive tried most lines out there and have fewer pulling up on me than rbj dogs.They may not be the best line because everyone has there own opinion on what a good dogs is,but can tell u I'll feed these fool dogs as long as I can walk,then maybe I'll crawl out to them.Just my 2cents.
Jack you are so full of shit .i bet when the first dogs came over from Ireland they went straight to the west .Right. Exactly. The west made the east.
From the western dogmen Carver and Mayfield
Yes it can, but the best, most historical, most influential dogmen are not from North Carolina ... they're western dogmen.
The great western dogmen are the ones who set the eastern dogmen up
In fact, Tom Garner got his two most influential dogs (Chinaman and Frisco) from the western dogman Vince Romero.
All his other dogs (even the ones with Crenshaw in them) came from the west, as Crenshaw likewise got his best dogs from the western dogman Maurice Carver also.
Jack
How am I full of shit?
LMAO, quite frankly, you're the one who's full of shit in every outlandish claim you've made. On down the line.
Essentially, you've been made a fool of on virtually every topic you've brought up ... and you have ZERO answers to anything I've said.
From RBJ dogs "killing the most."
To "all" the good ones being RBJ.
And, now, to your statement of "the best dogmen" being on the east coast.
I've asked you to name those "killingest" dogs compared to other bloodlines. (You can't.)
I've listed a boatload of dogs that have killed the best RBJ dogs on earth. (You have no answer.)
I've listed a boatload of dogs that have won more fights, and killed more dogs, than any RBJ dog on earth. (So you change the subject.)
And, now, you made the asinine statement that "the best dogmen" are on the east coast.
Well, buddy, I made a list of THE BEST breeders from the west ... who sold damned near every major east coast breeder their dogs ... and, once again, you can't come back with a rebuttal.
You have made an fool out of yourself, basically, on practically every level there is to be had, saying nothing but pure silliness.
And so now all you can say "I" am full of shit
The truth is, you should stop making baseless, ridiculous, unfounded claims ... and start making some rational, realistic ones
Jack
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Now let me tell you the truth. RBJ Dogs game as can be. Truth be told Red boy dogs are as dumb as they come, Yellow Dogs as smart as they come but who really wants a ear sucker. Mayday dogs can bite and balanced out and are all round athletes. Redboy dogs by themselves are not such a good line. Yellow dogs and may dogs. Basically same shit. Ear suckers and fancy foot work. This is what Great matches are made of. Going 3-4 hours, spectacular and heart moving but truth be told this is not what wins shows. In my personal Opinion from what i have seen in my country. Nothing compares with The Eli Line. Even the frisco/Tudor/Chinaman Line what i dislike wins like you cant beleive. Eli/Bolio is a unstoppable combination what produce dogs of such caliber they will shock ur socks of. My prefrence of the eli strain comes from the The mexican strain of Enrico Morfine dogs. i find that works with bolio the best and produce dogs what RBJ just cant. Thats my own personal opinion and i still run RBJ dogs but the truth is RBJ are not best dogs in terms of campaigning today. They work as a nice out cross and add some key attributes i find if u keep there blood at 25% or less in a breeding u will be taking there best atributes while allowing for less negavtives.
Well said! I agree!!!
I basically agree with your thinking.
Well said! I agree!!!
As I mentioned, the winningest, baddest dogs from my line were mostly with Eli/Chinaman influence.
The Poncho/Mayday dogs I had were TANKS ... VERY solid dogs that BEAT two Grand Champions ... with at least 50 wins and 15 Champions produced ... and yet ONLY ONE made it to a 5xW.
That one dog that made it to a 5xW was a very badass, finishing bitch Nastyville's Gr Ch Ms. Serious ... and she had a touch of Eli in her through Wynn's Lina.
By all accounts, Gr Ch Ms. Serious was a deadly animal. The longest she went was :40 and that was pushing 2 lb into a Champion. Every other fight was a rout. I don't know if it's true or not, but Nastyville told me he collected a $6K forfeit from Cane Valley Kennels on his Gr Ch Baby Gracie bitch (this is said with respect to CVK, because I very much do respect him, but this is what I was told). I sure would have loved to have seen that one come off ...
But, at any rate, there have been 15 to 20 five-time winners + involving crosses with my blood ... and, I believe, Nastyville's Gr Ch Ms. Serious is one of only two that have anything to do with RBJ blood.
The other RBJ cross that produced a Grand Champion was Black Flag Kennels' Gr Ch Red, DOY, but this also had Eli/ and Boyles blood in it.
Every other dog of my line that became more than a 5xW I don't believe had a drop of the RBJ blood in it.
Again, in all of history, there are maybe 1 or 2 RBJ dogs that have gone beyond 6x winners ... but MULTIPLE Eli/Carver dogs have done so.
Jack
PS: This really could become an interesting topic for discussion, if everyone can just stick to facts and can 1) stop baseless cheerleading claims, and 2) stop the insults. We might start getting some productive ideas generated, actually.
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