redboy dogs

[Black Hand]

Selection. You can probably start with Eli dogs, Hollingsworth dogs, redboy dogs, jeep dogs. Really doesn't matter if your foundation is the WRONG dog from any one of those lines. And the RIGHT dog can help you path the way from any of those lines if you're able to retain it what you had in him. Any line of dog, didn't fall from the sky. A man created and retained the traits you see.

[Officially Retired]

Selection. You can probably start with Eli dogs, Hollingsworth dogs, redboy dogs, jeep dogs. Really doesn't matter if your foundation is the WRONG dog from any one of those lines. And the RIGHT dog can help you path the way from any of those lines if you're able to retain it what you had in him. Any line of dog, didn't fall from the sky. A man created and retained the traits you see.

Well said. Exactly.

[EWO]

Very well said. I think the man behind the dogs carries more weight than the family name itself. My Mims Redboy dogs are different than the Deacon Redboy dogs we experienced. Seen very few Holland bred dogs I liked. All Redboy, just different strains, and different strains develop because different people breed the same family for different reasons.

Take the Vise Grip dogs (own the board/get the guinea pig job, LOL). I could go to Jack (or Evolution/Garner/Mims/Boyles) anyone, and buy two males and two females. I may choose to breed A and C, and maybe one of these owners would have bred B and D based on their personal knowledge of their dogs. All the dogs in the pedigree will be Vise grip but if I make the decision on which two to breed this is they very beginning of the next strain. Then when I make the next decision and if it is not the one the line creator would have made there is more separation. Then (and this usually a lines fatal blow) I start selling Vise Grip dogs or Poncho dogs to any and everyone with $2, before you know Jack's Vise Grip/Poncho name will bear the burden of my shortcomings.

This happens to a lot of lines. Popularity, lack of knowledge and profitability will cripple the percentages of any family. Redboy no different. For me, and it is only my opinion, it is better to be more concerned with who the dog comes from rather than chasing a 30 year old name, i.e Redboy-Bolio-Eli-Dime-Dibo...etc...etc...EWO

Selection. You can probably start with Eli dogs, Hollingsworth dogs, redboy dogs, jeep dogs. Really doesn't matter if your foundation is the WRONG dog from any one of those lines. And the RIGHT dog can help you path the way from any of those lines if you're able to retain it what you had in him. Any line of dog, didn't fall from the sky. A man created and retained the traits you see.

[Officially Retired]

Very well said. I think the man behind the dogs carries more weight than the family name itself. My Mims Redboy dogs are different than the Deacon Redboy dogs we experienced. Seen very few Holland bred dogs I liked. All Redboy, just different strains, and different strains develop because different people breed the same family for different reasons.

Yes.

VTake the Vise Grip dogs (own the board/get the guinea pig job, LOL). I could go to Jack (or Evolution/Garner/Mims/Boyles) anyone, and buy two males and two females. I may choose to breed A and C, and maybe one of these owners would have bred B and D based on their personal knowledge of their dogs. All the dogs in the pedigree will be Vise grip but if I make the decision on which two to breed this is they very beginning of the next strain. Then when I make the next decision and if it is not the one the line creator would have made there is more separation.

True. However, most serious breeders will provide insight as to what would make a "breedable pair," a big purchase like that is seldom without breeder input, so the first step after delivery usually carries quite a bit of the breeder's input also.

However, which pups to keep is entirely up to the new owner.
Which breeding decisions to make beyond that, again entirely up to the new owner.

As far as matching dogs goes, I personally root for Poncho dogs no matter who has them ... and I am typically confident in their winning, no matter who bred them ... because they don't need to be mixed any special way to be at least SERIOUSLY GAME ... game enough to stop most other lines on the scratch line ... they got that down pretty good ... but I suppose, over time, I am going to see that start to change ...

Then (and this usually a lines fatal blow) I start selling Vise Grip dogs or Poncho dogs to any and everyone with $2, before you know Jack's Vise Grip/Poncho name will bear the burden of my shortcomings.

I am watching this happen right now

This happens to a lot of lines. Popularity, lack of knowledge and profitability will cripple the percentages of any family. Redboy no different. For me, and it is only my opinion, it is better to be more concerned with who the dog comes from rather than chasing a 30 year old name, i.e Redboy-Bolio-Eli-Dime-Dibo...etc...etc...EWO

Yes, absolutely. Good post.

Jack

[Frank43]

Very well said. I think the man behind the dogs carries more weight than the family name itself. My Mims Redboy dogs are different than the Deacon Redboy dogs we experienced. Seen very few Holland bred dogs I liked. All Redboy, just different strains, and different strains develop because different people breed the same family for different reasons.

Take the Vise Grip dogs (own the board/get the guinea pig job, LOL). I could go to Jack (or Evolution/Garner/Mims/Boyles) anyone, and buy two males and two females. I may choose to breed A and C, and maybe one of these owners would have bred B and D based on their personal knowledge of their dogs. All the dogs in the pedigree will be Vise grip but if I make the decision on which two to breed this is they very beginning of the next strain. Then when I make the next decision and if it is not the one the line creator would have made there is more separation. Then (and this usually a lines fatal blow) I start selling Vise Grip dogs or Poncho dogs to any and everyone with $2, before you know Jack's Vise Grip/Poncho name will bear the burden of my shortcomings.

This happens to a lot of lines. Popularity, lack of knowledge and profitability will cripple the percentages of any family. Redboy no different. For me, and it is only my opinion, it is better to be more concerned with who the dog comes from rather than chasing a 30 year old name, i.e Redboy-Bolio-Eli-Dime-Dibo...etc...etc...EWO

amen