redboy dogs

[Officially Retired]

I didn't forget about the Bolio type dogs out there, but that's also why I said through some of the 90s. During the mid-late 90s, the Boyles line of dogs, especially bred from WCC, were all over the SDJ winning left and right. Champions, Grand Champions, ROM dogs, etc. They had a long, solid run of winning just as the Redboy/Jocko dogs did from the mid-late 80s through the early part of the 90s to probably the mid 90s.
I didn't comment so much on the later 90s or the 2000s as I simply don't remember one batch of dogs clearly standing out like in previous periods. I was only commenting on certain periods not over an entire three decade span.

Understood. The subject of winning is another can of worms, but my original complaint was these dogs are being bought and sold as THE GAMEST dogs ... but they're nothing even close to that.

I know that you had Frosty Paws, who was consistently producing that kind of gameness for you, and I know that there were other select individuals (such as Crews' Rocky, etc.) that were throwing more gameness than what is typical of the line (or any line). But I honestly believe these game-producing Redboy dogs are the EXCEPTION for their line.

"In general" I have seen (and had my dogs go into) a whole host of different Redboy dogs ... and the Redboy dogs almost invariably lose and quit.
Maybe "in general" the Redboy dogs might be out-scratching (say) Eli dogs, or whatever other kind of dogs, but when they have faced the truly dead game Hollingsworth dogs (and blends, such as my own) ... yeah, it typically goes awhile, but almost invariably it's the Redboy crosses that run out of gameness first. It has been nowhere near a 50-50% split.

Again, this is not trash talk, it's just what I have seen happen time and again.
As a line, they simply are nowhere near as reliably-game as the Hollingworth dogs were as a line.

Granted, as you have said, I think there are those breeders who breed extremely game segments of the Redboy family, but "as a whole" it is not a DG line of dogs.

I guess the point of my original rant was to put the brakes on the idea that "this is a game line" in general ... because "in general" it sure as hell is not ... not like what I am used to at any rate.

Maybe if the Hollingsworth dogs were overbred too, they would become inconsistent junk also, but I never really saw that happen.
Back when they were prevalent, if you were "another line" going into a Hollingsworth dog (or cross), you were pretty much looking to quit to it eventually or die ... and the Hollingsworth dog would either win eventually, on scratching, or it would die DEAD GAME. They simply would not quit. Literally, almost never.

And that is what I consider a truly game line to be ... it produces dogs that either win or die trying ... where "quits" are truly rare, unpleasant surprises.

Whoever said, "Be surprised when they scratch," was simply breeding the wrong line of dogs ...

Jack