Quote Originally Posted by Foxman View Post
Jack, The problem with any dogman that lies and says it is a lie but the second story he is fixing to share with you is the correct one. I have a problem with any story he tells. The first second or third. Whether it is recorded on the phone or otherwise. All he is doing by saying he is now expressing the true breeding is confessing he is a lier. So how could a person believe anything he says. A good attorney would completely ruin a witness using that approach. It's something to talk about among friends but I am not convinced anything any of those guys say like Patrick is ever the truth. I can see a mistake like saying it was the 24th when he was born then shortly after that statement saying I was wrong it was the 28th but to tell a Whole line of dogs you lied about then say you lied and here is the new truth. I'm out on that crap. Randy Fox
I hear what you're saying.

As a fraud investigator for over 12 years, who then either settles claims or litigates/prosecutes them with attorneys, I am well versed in dealing with lies.

The key word is motive.

When Patrick was telling me "the inside scoop," it was as a confidant. When he was lying, it was either because someone wanted "a Maloney dog" (so he papered it that way to make $$) ... or it was because a famous stud was shooting blanks (so he used a no-name son to cover for the elder, so again he could make $$) ... or it was to take some dog that made Champion off a dead stud (and re-paper it under an active stud, so again he could promote that living stud), etc.

When I was being told "the truth" there was no financial motive ... it was just during 3-hour conversations shooting the breeze. But, I agree, once a person is a confirmed liar on paperwork ... it's hard to take their word seriously if the money is on the line.

Jack