Gotta12V I heard that story about HoneyBunch being out of Ironhead to. I blew it off because I heard it after Bullyson quit. So I figured they switched fathers to help sell pups or keep the fame. Yet there were several IronHead-Eli crosses here in Oklahoma that were good dogs. Not sure they were papered that way but the guys that owned them said they were bred that way. This all puts me in mind of Maurice saying I'll sell you the soup but not the recipe. There is projectX another one to solve. There were lots of false stuff that went on. I'm aware of that but it isn't my place to correct it when it is impossible to know the truth except through DNA. The subjects you might choose to DNA for proof. They just have to have one lie on their pedigree to mess up test answer. So it is impossible to know or fix. That is why I played around with ProjectX. It is a very impossible task to get a correct answer. There are some things Mayfield said I didn't like. One thing I did not like is that when I ask him if it bothered him if one of his dogs he fought got hurt bad. He said no as long as they live to fight him another day. That is quiet a bit more heartless than me. I tried to shut out close feelings but it was impossible for me. Earl Tudor was soft hearted about losing a dog. I've been by his place when one died. He'd tell me about it and have tears in his eyes. Anyway I truly believe all this about who was bred this way or that way is a waste of time and impossible to solve. Yet it does let lots of people entertain themselves with their writing and rambling and the talk about their theories with their impossible solutions. I have a life with my family and that is more important and interesting to me. I keep my records straight on my pups and they are kept correct here and that is all I can say for sure. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I lied about any breeding. My wife wouldn't ever talk to me again either. I hope everyone has a job that needs it and had a good Christmas. At least you all know who you are talking to and bad mouthing. When it is me your bad mouthing. That is more than I can say about lots of hidden identies on here. I have no secrets to hide. Randy Fox