Breeding Dogs With Structural Defects

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Projectx, I didn't accuse you of slander, but you obviously felt threatened by the comment.

I don't look to breed dogs with structural defects, if a minor defect pops up, such as slipped hocks for instance, as mentioned here earlier. I would over look it, if most everything else I was looking for in that particular animal was in place.

Gamedogs, who are performance bred are not without defects, as "structure" is not the main focus. Form follows function in most all working breeds, ours is no different.

I would be more inclined to read all of your lengthy posts, if you were actually discussing what you as a breeder has contributed breeding your own dogs. And what superior qualities your dogs bring to the table, instead of what someone else's does not.

And you completely misunderstood me about correctly represented and entered pedigrees as pertains to this database. I haven't turned a blind eye at all when it comes to this, as I want the TRUTH entered here as well as recorded elsewhere. Not sure how you would have come to that conclusion AT ALL.

I have actually corrected some of your data entry in this pedigree database.

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I would be more inclined to read all of your lengthy posts, if you were actually discussing what you as a breeder has contributed breeding your own dogs. And what superior qualities your dogs bring to the table, instead of what someone else's does not.

I didn't even bother to read that last response either, for those exact reasons.

It is far easier to point out "the cracks in a Great Monument" than it is to build a better monument yourself.

Jack

[projectx]

I didn't even bother to read that last response either, for those exact reasons.

It is far easier to point out "the cracks in a Great Monument" than it is to build a better monument yourself.

Jack

Jack there you go again trying to make a put down comment rather than admit you agrree with me on when and why you or i would ever breed if ever to a dog with either deafnesss or another decfect that you thought was severe enough for you not to use a dog like that unless those circumstances to use it were met , and if you dont bother to read my replys thats not being fair to then make a comment reply like your last post , thats jsut plain lazy and unfair, and thats not what i expected of you jack .

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Jack there you go again trying to make a put down comment rather than admit you agrree with me on when and why you or i would ever breed if ever to a dog with either deafnesss or another decfect that you thought was severe enough for you not to use a dog like that unless those circumstances to use it were met ,

You are confusing many things, as usual.

While I agree I wouldn't breed to a deaf dog, unless it was very special in other ways, I still think it's a waste of time to go on and on and on about the fact Gary Hammonds did so. The great results he got prove his decision was a wise one.

Meanwhile, my ultimate opinions have been completely overlooked by you:
1) I could give a damn what Gary Hammonds does on his own yard;
2) What have YOU done positively for the breed?

and if you dont bother to read my replys thats not being fair to then make a comment reply like your last post , thats jsut plain lazy and unfair, and thats not what i expected of you jack .

You're starting to sound like a whiner.

Me, lazy? How dare you call me lazy. This forum here is the result of 2 straight years of more time and effort spent building and tweaking than you can possibly imagine. My 400-page, 500,000-word book took more time and effort to create than you have the sauce to think about yourself, let alone actually accomplish. Meanwhile, you have done "what" here, besides bitch and moan on occasion with your whopping 33 posts in 2 years?

You want to talk about "unfair?" How's this for unfair? I have asked you MULTIPLE times to state what YOU have done positively for this breed ... and you refuse to answer that ONE GD question I've asked you ... and yet I have written pages-full answering your questions ... and here I am *again* responding to everything you've said ... while YOU refuse to answer only ONE question I have asked of you ... so who TF is "unfair" here?

I didn't bother reading your last poorly-spelled, poorly-punctuated block of text because I am tired of you beating a dead horse and offering nothing but negativity to this forum ... while being too chickenshit to answer a single question about yourself.

So, until you reciprocate and answer MY question, and turn that microscope around to closely examine yourself ... the next negative statement you make to me, or to anyone on here, will be your last.

Jack

[projectx]

Projectx, I didn't accuse you of slander, but you obviously felt threatened by the comment.

I don't look to breed dogs with structural defects, if a minor defect pops up, such as slipped hocks for instance, as mentioned here earlier. I would over look it, if most everything else I was looking for in that particular animal was in place.

Gamedogs, who are performance bred are not without defects, as "structure" is not the main focus. Form follows function in most all working breeds, ours is no different.

I would be more inclined to read all of your lengthy posts, if you were actually discussing what you as a breeder has contributed breeding your own dogs. And what superior qualities your dogs bring to the table, instead of what someone else's does not.

And you completely misunderstood me about correctly represented and entered pedigrees as pertains to this database. I haven't turned a blind eye at all when it comes to this, as I want the TRUTH entered here as well as recorded elsewhere. Not sure how you would have come to that conclusion AT ALL.

I have actually corrected some of your data entry in this pedigree database.

Sb if you never said i slandered anyone why mention my name along with slander in the post, and believe me you do not threaten me at all , its my feeling that i threaten all of the ones who dont see to good from their rose coloured glasses they been wearing or from having their nose so far up their heros ass they cant see the wood for the trees . You see i stoped hero worshiping a long time ago, so now i can defend and also disagree with the dogmen i looked upon as the best , are they are only humans ,and that i can tell you was the best thing i ever did , as it allowed me to question things that untill then i took as gospel .
I am glad that you dont look to breed faults as a rule and i agree with you sb that these animals are not without defects ,and of course its unavoidable to not breed dogs with some minor defects , but i was talking more particualry about dogs with more severe defects either physicall or in the case of gary hammonds , using deaf dogs , so im certainly not saying that we can never breed dogs with minor defects , that would be an ideal world scenario which we do not have .
Your comment about you being more inclined to read all my lenghty posts if i was discuusing what i had as a breeder myself contributed to the breeding of my own dogs seems a rather strange think to say, as when i come on to the forum to read threads on what might interst me , i dont wonder whether the person posting it is either an expierienced breeder or dogfighter the psot normally tell me that ,but i read the post and i ether agree or disagree or think it has some merits or not depending on how i see things like everyone else does on any given subject. .Just like i would have made that comment to you, i would just reply to your post giving you my opinoin on what you posted in your first post , which was obviuosly meant for me as you mentioned my name and as such i replied to it never using the age old comment that you used , about wanting to know what you have done as some sort of reason to not have to agree with me or accept i have a point which you can agree or disagree with , as under those circumstances only about 5 % of all peoeple who ever post on any subject in these forums be it jacks or any other would not be allowed to say shit , regardless of how much sense it made or not , is that what your saying sb?
I dont have to tell you about me or my dogs or what i breed , just like i dont ask you, i look at what you or anyone else may reply to any given subject , and if i ,like many others think they have a point about that they post a reply to it , i dont need to know if they have been there seen it done and got the t shirt for me to read it, i read it and i dont decide to agree or disagree with its contents on the basis of who posted it or how deep they been , i read it and if it makes sense i say it and if it dont agree i say that to , this isnt a pissing contest sb cos if you been around as long enough you knwo that sometimes the one that can piss the farthest aint always right .Sb i will give your post the same respect i do to all the others i read , by at least reading them and deciding whther i agree or not based on whats written in it and reply to, not reply to it by whether my feeling got hurt cos it says something about a line or dogman i like , thats childish bullshit , so if you dont want to read my posts thats fine but lets not start a pissing contest ok .

As for me misunderstanding you , well im gald , as your original post seemed to be against anyone having an opinion be it right or wrong ,and that we should say nothhing and stick toggether , but as i told you, i wont stick toggehter with someone ideas if i dont agrree with them , thats riddiculous , so i mentioned and hoped that if a subject like ped faking comes up that you would not feel that we should just say nothing , and im glad you dont feel that way on that sb and i will gladly stick toggehter with you on that subject sb.

As for my data entry , what exaclty have you changed , as although i myself being only human i can and do occasionaly get things wrong , i would be interested on what data is incorrect in my peds , thank you.