Breeding Dogs With Structural Defects

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I dont have a hard on for gary at all , you dont like the message i give becasue you cant see past what you want to see ,and hindsight is a wonderfulll thing ,but you see we can only know whether a defective dog could have been a good producer or not if we breed him , and unless you have hindsight and see into the future ,thenbreeding him is taking a risk rather than good breeding practice and thank god its not the norm to bred deaf dogs among breeders with good breeding practices but you obviuosly are not one of them if you think its fine and dandy to do it as the norm like gary has done for 40 years, and you still say your not biased towards him lol.

No, the point was to contradict your perspective that a dog of great production capabilities shouldn't be bred b/c he's deaf. Don't know the circumstances, but since this guy, Hammonds, like him or not, has produced more quality animals than yourself, I'd have to say he knew something others may not have known since a "defective" dog produced so many great dogs.

As for using the luxury of hindsight by saying( look how good rufus produced and if you take him out of the lineage of dogs after him analyze the family then), its a riddiculous thing to say , because the dogs in the lineage after him wouldnt exist if he hadnt been bred to produce them in the first place , now whos got a retarded way of thinking.

That's exactly what I said.
I'm not kennel blind by any friends, dogs or anything else in my life. I'm not close minded. I pay attention to reality, truth and relevance. We'll just have to disagree and move on down the road. You rarely make much sense to me and I doubt you like me either, so I'll let it go.

Have a great Christmas.

Nqk i dont have anything against you , so when you say its obvious that i dont like you , that can only be coming from you feeling like im attacking you becasue of your feelings about gary because you run his blood ,and as i told you before i understand that you feel like that, its human nature, but i dont dislike you at all so maybe you need to evaluate how obviuosly attached you are to not seeing reality becasue of your emotional attachment to gary or his dogs that you feed.
As for hindsight , well gary didnt even notice rufus was deaf , and he like many others breeders took a chance and bred to a dog that under normal circumstances wouldnt be bred and got lucky, and you can try to talk it any way you like, but unless gary knew rufus would produce like he did , which none can know not even gary (who cant even tell hes got a deaf dog infront of him ) and as rufus was not even an outstanding pit dog that was so out of this world that even jack said he might breed to a dog like that even with deafness, then what criterior did gary use for breeding the dog ? becasue rufus was not an outstanding dog , so it was a chance he took and he like many other men who have bred either defective dogs or dogs with a severe defect like deafness or in many cases a cur dog who produced out of the ass ,but at the time they bred those dogs they could only have known one thing for sure , and thats not that the dog was going to produce well for them but that they were breding a dog that was either carrying a fault like rufus was or another severe structural or health fault or that thier dog was a cur , that is the only sure thing they could have known and taken to the bank before they decided to breed that dog, so lets be honest and say that with looking at things after the event we could all bet on the winner , but luck plays a part in all breedings even the ones that have all the right qualities in place beforehand and very often even they dont prove any good either , but to start with one hand tied behind your back even if it turns out well is not the right way to do it even if you get lucky it doesnt mean its right it just means you got lucky so lets be honest and stop trying to make excuses like we would for our child when the teacher say your kid is causing trouble in class, and we always try to defend our kid even if we know hes a little tearaway and we know the teachers probably right ,but rather than face it we make excuses for them ,and 9 times out of ten thosoe kids pay you back by turning out just like they said he would a bad apple, but hey he was our little johnny so he can do no wrong right? wrong those rose cloured glasses atr it again.