Quote Originally Posted by The Old Timer. View Post
A few guys I knew always set real high stud fees on one or two of there dogs, at present I do the same with one dog I have now, some times you just like to keep the years / or a life time of your hard work to your self, some guys would take the service of the dog if they got it for a few hundred $, but when you set a real high price you don't fall out with guys by refusing them the stud, the stud dog is there but at a price they wont pay. to be honest if limeys stud dog was a producing dog and sires large litters of pups I myself would pay that fee, if its some thing I wanted, the bottom line if you paid 2700 for the service, and you got 10 pups or more in the litter, each pup would cost 270 or less, i think limey is correct in putting any price he wants on his dog, its a take it or leave it situation, on the other hand when you set a real high stud fee you or letting others believe you have some thing special - it makes a good sales pitch , and gets guys talking about your stud dog or line of dogs you keep, and then an old saying comes to my head also a " fool and his money are easy parted."
Hi oldtimer ,i dont disagree with anyone setting a high price for a stud fee, and you mentioned that some guys want to keep a lifetime of there work to themselves or at least set a high stud fee , but i think that an average stud fee if you just look at the stud offers on this forum and on others is between $500 to $1000 maybe $1500 and some of those are well bred dogs who have either a hunt record or a producing record or even both, yes there some higher but they all have record in one or both departments but the average is between the csots i mentioned on the whole.

I think that limeys kingpin does not fall into the category of dog to demand the $2.700 stud fee which seems to me on the very high side, and thats wihtout the extra costs involved to anyone wanting a breeding under limeys rules, as i have outlined an appoximate cost of betwwen $6000 and maybe upto $8000 which you may not have seen , which would make your cost per pup theory of a litter of ten pups rising to between $600 and $800 per pup, but that is only if the female actuall gets pregnant and both natrual breedings and surgical inseminations are not always a gurantee of getting pups , so the reality is that to spend between $6000 and maybe $8000 and maybe not even get your female pregnant ,which could happen , and then have the hassle of getting your money back as by this time your female would have been shipped back to you so its not like you can just get in your car and drive to get another breeding for free is it.
The reality is that untill any female has her pups we can all make scenarios as what could be the case, so to me its just a case of untill the pups hit the ground its all speculation as to what is value for money, and i dont think im being hard on limey saying that i feel that his stud fee alone without even adding the extra costs to a buyer is just way over the top for his dogs achievments as yet.

I think maybe you had a good point in that some people are salesmen and by setting a high price on a dog might make newbies think they need to get some of it, but im not into that kind of dogman , thats the kind i stay away from, especially if the dog has yet to do anything to merit the high stud fee in the first place, that to me is the type of thing a peddler does .

The other point is that if we all never let out any dogs none of us would ever have had any dont you think, like i said before its a nonsense to think that even if you think you have something so special that no one else can have it , by the sheer fact the you yourself must have got them from someone in the first place means that to think like that is futile, as no one man has a monopoly on any bloodline ,not even limey ,and they never had not even before the world got on the internet which opened up to them stud dogs and bloodlines to anyone around the world to buy , so whehter its eli or aligator or mayfield or redboy etc etc and many other much sought after bloodlines , some of which are not in high numbers like others are , to think that any one man or kennel can have a monopoly on that bloodline is wrong , as there is always more than one man who will have that line no matter how low in numbers they are or diifcult to get , there has always been more than one man involved in any one line of dogs , that is how they keep the line going in a pure or tight bred family , into the future ,and the death of any line is when one man is in total control of it ,and thankfully as in the case of limeys kingpin to use as an example , the aligator line is still being bred and actually in a more pure family than even limeys , just like other hard to get blood of yesteryear , its just like anything else , you have to do your research eventhough you may have been looking for that stud or female from a bloodline that today seems extinct , i have found that with a little paticience you can still find bloodlines that most of us would give our right nut for to have as a breeding pool today.

The ohter thing you metioned that i agree with is that a fool and his money are easily parted, and if anyone can justify to themselves the overall cost of a getting a breeding to limeys kingpin, especially if your in the usa where like i said there are many good tight aligator dogs being bred , were if you get a stud or pup you may pay $1000 $1500 , then to me anyone taking a stud from kingpin , or any other dog that would cost them that kind of overall price ,when they have as good or better at home for a fraction of the cost , then they truely are a fool who maybe needs to be parted with his or her money just so they learn a valuable lesson from it , as sometimes thats the only way a person can learn when the get their ass burned.