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[CrazyRed]

Well we can debate, not sure about what. I'm a believer that a man's price is his price and just as the buyer has an option to pay or keep walking the man with the merchandise has the option to set his price where he wants. I feel you pay for what you want. I mean you might spend $300 10x to get some cheap pups and the guy even throws you a few pups so you only spent $3k to get between 10-15 dogs and you might have 10-15 turds. You could easily spend $1500-3500 on a pup and get a turd. I would say it's up to the person purchasing, if the stock is proven then your chances of getting something quality is very high. That $1500 pup or dog might turn out to be the best investment you ever made and make you back tens of thousands and he might be a dud. Each dog has opportunity but when you talk about "proof" then its world's apart. The guy charging 1500 might have great success and others have great success with his stock. The guy charging 300 might have success but others might not have the same success, does that mean his dogs arent worth it? No he just might be a better dogman or able to get more out of his dogs then anybody else. It is an option to buy or not to, so how can you bash.

[Officially Retired]

Well we can debate, not sure about what. I'm a believer that a man's price is his price and just as the buyer has an option to pay or keep walking the man with the merchandise has the option to set his price where he wants. I feel you pay for what you want. I mean you might spend $300 10x to get some cheap pups and the guy even throws you a few pups so you only spent $3k to get between 10-15 dogs and you might have 10-15 turds. You could easily spend $1500-3500 on a pup and get a turd. I would say it's up to the person purchasing, if the stock is proven then your chances of getting something quality is very high. That $1500 pup or dog might turn out to be the best investment you ever made and make you back tens of thousands and he might be a dud. Each dog has opportunity but when you talk about "proof" then its world's apart. The guy charging 1500 might have great success and others have great success with his stock. The guy charging 300 might have success but others might not have the same success, does that mean his dogs arent worth it? No he just might be a better dogman or able to get more out of his dogs then anybody else. It is an option to buy or not to, so how can you bash.

Good post.

The bottom line is a man can charge whatever he wants to charge, and people can pay it or not.

What might be "worth it" to one guy might not be to another. In my opinion, it is ALWAYS better to pay a little more for "expertise" than it is to try to save money buying from inexperience.

When I breed my own dogs, down from the same line I have been working with for 20-something years, and consistently producing high-percentages of winners/producers each time ... and I personally know every dog in the pedigree, what it has (what it lacks) and have a feel for what I am doing ... I would "like" to think that I have a better idea of what the heck I am going to get out of my pups than some guy who just bought 2 mix-bred dogs and bred them together

I am absolutely 100% confident that my pups are going to be within "the genetic ballpark" of what I am wanting to get MUCH more frequently, reliably, and consistently than some guy breeding 2 dogs he knows nothing about, genetically. I would bet my life on that. And I will damned sure be charging more for this genetic certainty I have with what I am doing ... and I will collect it too ... than someone playing guessing games with his "crosses" that he's experimenting with because "it looks good on paper" (to him, anyway).

I understand that not every pup comes out as planned. But I also understand that pups that are truly planned, and linebred on prepotent animals, come out closer to those plans (much more frequently) than will a hodgepodge of unrelated stuff being stuck together for the hell of it.

Any person with a couple of decades of successful breedings behind him, all back down from the same stock he's always been successful with, will simply have better odds of getting what he wants day-in and day-out than the average bandwagon-jumper will ... and anyone who doesn't believe, or understand, this simply knows nothing about breeding or genetics.

Jack