Can you ruin gameness? (genetics)

[R2L]

That's right Jack. I question myself whether i made a mistake before judging the dog. You must, unless u like wasting precious time and potential precious dogs by making the same mistakes over and over. To each its own though, some are just very hard in selecting.

I can see what you're saying but it still makes me wonder.
You can make all the wrong choices but the capability to run fast or sing good will still be there. It was not ruined but hidden.
Now if a dog stopped while he was not ready for a roll, you obviously ruined the potential to show gameness in that particular roll. But when that same dog has become fully ready, and he carries the trait; could it be you ruined more then just his potential in his first roll? He chose the easy way out once.
If you'd compare it with the running again, and one with the potential to be a champion has not qualified for the olympics because of the wrong choises he made. Then the answer would be no, he wasnt ruined. He could still achieve it when his potential is maximized.

[Officially Retired]

That's right Jack. I always question myself whether i did made a mistake before i judge the dog. You must, unless u like wasting precious time and potential precious dogs by making the same mistakes over and over.

Agreed.

I can see what you're saying but it still makes me wonder.
You can make all the wrong choices but the capability to run fast or sing good will still be there. It was not ruined but hidden.

Just because a person can still "sing good," does not mean s/he can sing among the best singers in the world.

In the same way, compared to shit-dogs, even a ruined pit bull can still "fight good" ... but not against the best pit dogs in the world.

Same thing with "run good," compared to what?

The fatass in front of the couch, who had "genetic potential," may still be able to beat his neighbors ... but he will never be able to compete with world class runners ... who had the same potential ... but who realized and maximized that potential.

Now if a dog stopped while he was not ready for a roll, you obviously ruined the potential to show gameness in that particular roll. But when that same dog has become fully ready, and he carries the trait; could it be you ruined more then just his potential in the first roll? He chose the easy way out once.
If you'd compare it with the running again, and one has not qualified for the olympics because of the wrong choises he made. Then the answer would be no, he wasnt ruined. He could still achieve it when his potential is maximized.

Again, it depends on the dog, and HOW BADLY it was ruined.

I have had plenty of dogs that "cried at first" ... but that I didn't ruin ... who (later) got their shit together and proved to be incredibly game and talented dogs. Just because a man gets a little fat doesn't mean he can never be a runner again, all he has to do is slim down and start training.

However, if he totally destroys his body through repeated abuse, he will literally ruin his potential.

Jack