If you dont want to give credit to the man that bred and gave or sold you that winning dog, what kind of person are you? Everybody knows that you raised a pup or bought a prospect and schooled or just hooked and won with him, but you did not breed him and chances are that you couldnt breed your own to begin with. Chances are that the winner you got might throw you a few more but if you go dog for dog with the breeder he probably beats you easily. STP was a great combine that could beat anybody in the world but as breeders, I'd say Boudreaux, Boyles, Hollingsworth, Tant, Victor etc outdone them in breedings.