Quote Originally Posted by CYJ View Post
Ditto Jack and EWO. Back when my dog partner V.J. was doing so well. In schooling dogs with me or someone else. V.J. had one that showed desire,but was getting the bad end of the deal in it's first schooling. When V.J. brought this same dog out for a second schooling time later on.

If I or the someone else went to get and try another dog. V.J. would say no, go get that same dog that was used the last time. Usually the reply to V.J. was made, but that dog had the upper hand the whole time. Sure you do not want to try another dog.

His reply was no, less do the same schooling dog from the first get go. See what my dog has learned, will it show some counter move smarts or even kick your dog's arse. LOL. If not, no need to proceed farther. Just check it's oil on that dog. He felt a good dog that had potential would learn the proper counter moves before trying another style dog on it. If dog had improved, then later to another style dog. But not to the point of schooling, one more time, then just one more time, and time and time again. Before one had the confidence to use their dog in a weight pull event.

Dogs that show some dog contact desire at around say 18 months old can get some short 5 minute schooling lessons. If dog shows potential, best to wait till 24 to 28 months old before a serious weight pull event is to take place.

A good dog will learn from each schooling bout, still the over all style it will predominately desire to do is in the genes. Jack's dogs are noted head dogs with smarts to go to the body when their opponent is weak. Bolio's Sire and Bolio were known for being the same bad head dog types. Eli bred dogs usually stay in the front end till they can go to the back end. JMHO, Cheers

This is a great post, thank you.

Very interesting that VJ would re-roll the prospect with the same dog to see if there was improvement. Never thought about that, so you learn something new every day

I saw this once with my U-Nhan-Rha dog with Icon. The first time I rolled them, Icon completely dominated U-Nhan-Rha, but Uey was always in it, just a step behind. The second time I put them together, it was much more even, with Icon getting weaker in the end (which he didn't the first time, even though he was slightly the smaller dog).

No dog ever put Uey behind, except Icon, and no dog ever put Icon behind, ever, except for brief stints of Uey's second roll with him.

At the end of the second, I could see Uey was the stronger dog ... but it was already 1:20 into it, OTC, as both had great air, and I saw all I needed to see to be able to rate them both as First Class dogs, with Uey showing vast improvement the second time around. Uey was a face dog that was used to decimating "driving dogs" by destroying their faces ... and didn't know how to handle a Pure Ear Dog the first time he faced Icon ... but he learned how to deal with it, the second time around, and actually rode and frustrated Icon at several points.

Very interesting to learn of VJ's methods

Jack