I can't say I've ever heard anyone say they need Jocko for mouth personally. I've heard a ton of people say they need Redboy for gameness, but the dogs they breed to aren't noted for anything except seeing about 20 minutes and being Redboy bred. They've not been anywhere near Gameness Avenue. Whatever kind of gameness Redboy dogs were noted for originally has steadfastly declined due to the popularity of the line and indiscriminate breeding, but I've said that already.

I've seen pockets of game Eli dogs. It's like anything else. You can't simply breed to Redboy dogs and get game dogs anymore than you can breed to Bolio dogs and get world class athletes. If it were that easy, someone would breed Bolio/Redboy dogs and take over the world!