Hey Realpits, your right man. I'm not worried really on if he quit and my pup being a quitter as its proven than dogs that quit or curr can still produce. So I guess I got a 50/50 shot at getting a good bulldog out of the breeding. I was mainly wondering about Ceaser and Crocodile both and asking if anyone knows or has seen them perform. Maybe even have pups off either and opinions on Ceaser and Croc as producers. From what I understand, Croc himself as what I'm told is "Great". That's why he was doubled up on in his last breeding. That's about all I know on him other than his blood is highly sought after in Mexico and on the West Coast. (Little Gator) blood that is. Crocs a 50/50 Chinaman/Little Gator Dog. Ceaser heavy Frisco and is breeding back to Machete which is heavy Frisco to. Just dont know much else about either.