I've heard from alot of oldtimers that the "RedDevil" blood is the actual line behind the RedBoy Blood .... What's everyone's input on this !
The reason why I'm asking is I use too run that RedDevil blood back in the day & also had some RedBoy ... and to be honest both lines had the same characteristics !!
RedDevil .. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...php?dog_id=263
RedBoy .. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...php?dog_id=243
Boomer JR is already a ROM dog? I thought they just started breeding him a couple of years ago.
I can't comment on the thread's subject, as I've never spent any time around the OFRN dogs. What I've heard of them is night and day from what I know of Redboy dogs, but that's just hearsay, and I'm sure everyone's had a different experience with them. RedDevil and the original Redboy certainly favor a great deal, though.
IMO...I believe that the Redboy strain is more Hemphill based. But that's just my opinion! I'll chime in once the topic gets going.
Im not sure if they r the same dogs in a sence, but i know when u cross the turtlebuster to the redboy especially deacon blood u get real good animals and a perfect example would be the plowboy stuff. My team and I r waiting to take our turtlebuster bitch to our boomer male and hope we get good results.
Originally Posted by JohnnyBoy
I think the only guy trying to say that Redboy dogs = Red Devil dogs is Norrod.
Most of what I've heard about any "rumors" regarding Redboy was that he was a Hemphill-bred dog, but I have no way to verify any of this.
Ultimately, however, my feeling is this: it doesn't make any difference at this point, because enough generations have passed between when any of this was relevant, and now, that "knowing the answer" as to what was really behind Redboy would have no relevance worth speaking about in any dog living today.
So many people have had their "breeder's hand" in the mix, between the original Redboy and Red Devil, and the available dogs today, that "what was behind" either dog is utterly insignificant now.
The only actually relevant thing it would behoove you to know nowadays, has to do with pups on the ground NOW, and to know the answers to the question, "Who bred them and why?"
Really getting a deep understanding of the answer to this question ("Who bred them and why?") will give you a much better indication of how any particular set of pups will turn out ... than will never knowing the truth as to the answer to the time-worn question: "Who was really behind Redboy?"
Jack
PS: Nice avatar, JohnnyBoy. One of my early mentors, Lineman, actually owned Ablizin's Tiger for the first 4 years of his life. He was a cold dog, until Gerry let him go, and he started almost as soon as he changed yards.
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Thanks for the input JACK ...
I think the only guy trying to say that Redboy dogs = Red Devil dogs is Norrod.
Most of what I've heard about any "rumors" regarding Redboy was that he was a Hemphill-bred dog, but I have no way to verify any of this.
Ultimately, however, my feeling is this: it doesn't make any difference at this point, because enough generations have passed between when any of this was relevant, and now, that "knowing the answer" as to what was really behind Redboy would have no relevance worth speaking about in any dog living today.
So many people have had their "breeder's hand" in the mix, between the original Redboy and Red Devil, and the available dogs today, that "what was behind" either dog is utterly insignificant now.
The only actually relevant thing it would behoove you to know nowadays, has to do with pups on the ground NOW, and to know the answers to the question, "Who bred them and why?"
Really getting a deep understanding of the answer to this question ("Who bred them and why?") will give you a much better indication of how any particular set of pups will turn out ... than will never knowing the truth as to the answer to the time-worn question: "Who was really behind Redboy?"
Jack
PS: Nice avatar, JohnnyBoy. One of my early mentors, Lineman, actually owned Ablizin's Tiger for the first 4 years of his life. He was a cold dog, until Gerry let him go, and he started almost as soon as he changed yards.
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Ya Norrod was one of the old timers that told me that ...
When I use to live in Canada their was another old timer that lived in Quebec "Pierre Francios" (RIP) he used to be very close friends with Andre Giroux, he told me that he "Heard" the same thing, but he also said that you can't always believe what you hear !
PS: I really love that Tiger Blood, he was a good producer, especially when bred to some Boyles & Limey blood !
I was planning to do this breeding in 2011 http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... _id=387939
but I decided to hold off until 2012 ... "I plan on going to Greece this year with Athena" hopefully if all goes well I will be breeding her this August ....
Then for her second breeding she'll be bred to none other than http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... _id=237503 ... Can't wait for that !
YIS .. Johnny Boy
So, Athena comes to Greece for breeding purposes, if yes to what blood?
IF YOU LOOK IN THE BOTTOM OF RED BOY YOU WILL SEE THERE IS RED DEVIL IN RED BOY
I plan to soon write the story on Bass's Tramp Red Boy. I seen Red Boy on several occasions as a young dog and old dog. Saw his last serious game test. Saw his dog pulling show against the W. Cable bitch. Saw most of Red Boy's Siblings and knew their owners personally. Had one of his full brothers for awhile. I did a dog show with R. Byrd. I used a Black bitch out of Red boy x Cleo.
Byrd beat this bitch so bad and so fast it was not funny. Reckon he was wanting revenge on V. Jackson for what the Hank dog did to his 2X winner Arizonia Red. LOL
I knew Red Boy's first owner personally that got Red Boy as a pup from Mr. McCloud. Plan to call W. T. and get the name of another dog man that lived in Dillion S.C. This dog man at one time had more Red Boy x Cleo dogs than K. M. When he quit the game sure Katie and Bass and others got those dogs.
There is no great mystery about the Red boy dog. In the Pee Dee Area of the South East. There were three popular Stud dogs in the same time era. They were V. Jackson's Hank/ W. Kelley's Willie/ and Bass's Tramp Red Boy.
Will write this soon. Want to be well rested and go back over some facts checking and make a few phone calls. Until
This will be great stuff, CYJ.
I am sure many others will sure appreciate reading what you have to say.
Thanks, also, for the interesting commentary on many of the dogs you've entered into the database.
Cheers,
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