YES: Gameness is the essence of the breed, and dogs who show it to the extreme are deserving.
NO: The DOY title should only be about performance.
I just said a lot things, if that's how you read it then so be it. Let me lay it out a bit simpler.
Take gameness as the most solid foundation to build upon, if you have a solid family of game dogs you can build upon it in your breeding choices, if you constantly get game plug after game plug, ask yourself where your going wrong.
If you wanna twist what I say to make out something else but I take gameness as the single most important factor when breeding dogs.
I got where you were coming from Macker. It is the truth! Gameness should come first in foundation dogs and you build from there. The idea is the total package animal that can win with the least amount of damage or if needed can be there all night long.Originally Posted by Macker
I think No Quarter might have just focused on that small part of what you wrote instead of the whole?
I see we are holding pretty steady at a tie. I'm kind of confused as to why anyone would vote yes after reading all of these pages of good information. We can't all agree and that's what keeps us honest and interested but I would like to hear more from the "yes" voters!
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Wasn't twisting anything, you said if you had ONLY all game plugs then you didn't have much. I agree. I also know what you MEANT. Just pointed out that you did say that and I agree. I also agree with what you say here. Gameness is #1, but it won't stand alone these days. Nothing will. You have to have a total package.
It makes me question some of these breedings off of frozen semen that are throw backs from 20+ years back. In 20 years, these dogs have evolved drastically in ability. There are a lot of dogs that would destroy some of the legends of yesterday. Why would anyone really want to breed to that older stuff? I know there are exceptions and I would do it myself to the right stud or straw, but it's just something to consider and think about.
And by the way, I don't agree you don't "Have Much" if all you have is game. Said that wrong. I just mean, you can't consistently win with gameness alone.
For the record, my vote was no
And there are a lot of the legends of yesterday that would destroy some of the dogs of today.
Don't kid yourself: good dogs are where you find em. When you find em's got nothin to do w/it.
I'm not kidding anyone, much less myself. You are right about "legends" of yesterday destroying "some dogs of today". However, there are just "some dogs" that could beat "legends" of yesterday. I know good ones are where you find them. Learned that in my first Stratton book years ago. However, there are better today than yesterday. My opinion.
You know, Jessie Owens is a legend of yesterday.He ran in the 10.3's.
I routinely see High School Kids of today run in the sub 10.5's EVERY year and about every other year, I see multiple 10.3's at the State Meet. Multiple High School BOYS that would routinely beat a WORLD CLASS LEGEND. The examples and proof is everywhere.
These kids also start younger, have better training, better nutrition, better shoes, better track, etc. ... (e.g., I believe Jesse Owens ran his time on cinders ...)
You said that. And I said that there are just some "legends" of yesterday that could beat "some dogs" of today. There are better yesterday than today too. You're entitled to your opinion. I am also entitled to mine. Aces are aces, period. Era doesn't matter a whit.
And if I gave Jesse Owens the exact same shoes, track surfaces, nutrition, coaching, & training methods, then turned him loose on your high schoolers, he would leave them a shambles in his wake. You are giving all those edges to the youngsters, none of which have a whit to do w/ability. Cite whatever examples & alleged "proof" you like & the response is always & forever the same. Legends are legends & can beat anything at any time; that's why they're legends. You shouldn't punish an athlete for the era he/she played or fought in. Your opinion is your own; mine is mine.
I voted no, I'd like to see the separate categories, it just makes it a hole lot more interesting every year when we're voting and debating. Look at the mileage we're getting from this sure lol
No was my vote and a separate award for GDOY is an awesome title!
Mouth, ability, structure, and wind can be added, the only thing that can't be added is gameness. When building a yard that should be priority 1 then concentrate on everything else. I think there should be DOY and GDOY also....
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