Originally Posted by Hushman
That is not "bad" ... fucking off a dog's life because it was "cheap to do so" is worse.
Jack
Yes. Low $$ reflects an honest, working-man price and target market.
No. Selling cheap pups is a disgrace to the breed, and to yourself, to sell at "newspaper" prices.
That is not "bad" ... fucking off a dog's life because it was "cheap to do so" is worse.
Jack
Breeding a high priced average,cold or cur is bad though.That's what fucks up the breed we all luv.U c it all the time!!!!I understand where ur coming from but at the same time u have to stop n c the negative is greater.All ur hard work could go down the drain when a dude breeds an unworthy animal just to get his coin back
That is all theoretical bullshit ... and exactly the opposite of the truth.
The only way my hard work has gone "down the drain" is when people have LOST my good dog, not "bred" my dogs they "didn't check."
The funniest part about the insanity of what you believe is that my two WORST producers when I got out were my "HARDEST-checked" (Pup Pup and Super Red).
Being "hard checked" has NOTHING to do with producing ability. You simply have no idea WTH you're taking about.
I could produce better dogs with "unchecked" dogs of my line than most people could produce with "hard checked" scatter-bred mutts.
Jack
its not about being checked hard it is about being looked at period. if someone continually breeds dog that have never shown there skills then you will eventually not have working dogs ne more.
Very true. Skills are what need to be evaluated mostly (all without ever making a bad move), because if a person is not evaluating their dog's skills ... it will show up in their win record (or lack of win record) ... even if they're "testing hard."
Just because people buy cheap dogs from people, and those cheap pups happen to turn out, doesn't mean cheap pups are "more likely" to turn out.
It pretty much means they got lucky ... or they knew the guy.
And just because people pay high $$ for pups, that don't turn out, doesn't mean "all" high $ pups don't turn out.
It either means they got unlucky or it means they can't tell the difference from a quality pedigree and a 'pretty' (but empty) pedigree.
The bottom line is, MOST people who are smart enough to have/breed good dogs, that are significantly more likely to turn out, are also smart enough to know that their dogs are therefore worth more than what's being put out there by the average guy.
Jack
Jack I was not being specific about your line and your dogs I was talking more in general.there are many people out there who sell their dogs for big money only to have that high priced dog bred when it shouldn't be.I personally believe a dog needs to prove itself in the box just like its parents,grandparents, uncles,aunts,sibling..etc.but that's just how we do.not saying its the end all be all just our way.nothing more
But here's the thing: if other people are SUCKING at breeding dogs, then their POOR RESULTS (or NO results) is all the criticism that's needed.
If somebody wants to breed untested, non-athletic, dogs together ... why should I care?
I am not going to be buying their dogs.
Their dogs do not affect me.
I just don't see (nor will I ever) how worrying about what others do benefits me in any way.
I think that GOOD dogs are WORTH MONEY.
I think MY TIME, MY EFFORT, and MY EXPERIENCE are worth money.
So to go off on some tangent about green blowhards, breeding untested dogs, and how this "ruins the breed" has NOTHING to do with THE POINT.
I agree, pups from green blowhards, breeding untested shit, are NOT going to command the same price as a proven breeder breeding his best dogs together.
And if a MFer can't tell the difference, then HE IS A DUMBASS.
But to argue and digress to talk "only" about idiots breeding paper is as stupid as wanting to say the best-bred dogs in the world should only be $300.
BOTH ARE WRONG.
It seems nobody wants to be SENSIBLE and think correctly ... they only want to argue one extreme stupidity or the other
And I personally would rather see "unchecked, well bred dogs" be overpriced ... than to see TRULY well-bred, healthy, vibrant pups disrespected by being sold for a newspaper price.
To devalue these dogs is a worse crime in my eyes than to get a little carried away in price
Because the truth is DOG BUTCHERS and BROKE MOFOS are the only ones who don't think these dogs are worth a good price.
Once u sell a dog u have NO control of what that person is it going to do it.that was more the point I was trying to make.
I don't know anything bout Dog Butchers n broke mofos.I personally have spent big $$$ on dogs n so have others in our circle.Sum made it other sleep w/the fishes.Just part of the game
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