Question on buying dogs.

[Officially Retired]

Jack you are wrong on so many things it is not even funny. I am in no mood for drawn out long winded posts as I have a yard to look after.

I am right on everything I said, which is why you have nothing of merit left to say.

If you want to run off and hide, rather than concede YOU were wrong on Chavez, that would be typical of your kind ...

Ok you said Leonard slapped Hagler silly WRONG.

By that I mean, bitch-slapped and pitty-patted, while Hagler couldn't do shit about it.

You said Chavez was in a pick um fight with Whitaker WRONG Chavez barely won 3 rounds.

Um, genius, the fight was a draw.

If you want to again depart reality (you know, the actual cards), and go off of your own, "imaginary card," then we can't have a discussion, because you're talking fantasy not reality.

J
You said Whitaker never fought at super featherweight WRONG.

You show me one professional fight Pernell Whitaker had at super featherweight.
You show me one Olympic fight Pernell Whitaker had at super feather.

Pernell Whitaker won the Olympic Gold medal at LIGHTWEIGHT, genius.

I said not one thing wrong ...

If you are (again) reaching, and talking what weight Whitaker may have fought at "as a teenager" ... then this only goes to prove how DENSE you are ... how LITTLE you can actually stick to what was really being said, and how FAR you are willing to reach to keep avoiding THE TRUTH.

Hell, son, Chavez used to weigh 6 lb ... AS AN INFANT ... but that has not one focking thing to do with what HIS BEST PRIME FIGHTING WEIGHT was

At their PRIME, PROFESSIONAL BOXING WEIGHTS, Chavez was 129 and Whitaker was 135.
When they fought each other, Chavez was 142 and Whitaker was 145.

What focking planet do you live on which prompted you to call Chavez "the bigger man" ...?

Go and add up Chavez opponents records for his first 55 fights see what you come up with.

Why don't you say something intelligent? Chavez was 55-0. Anyone can look up his record.

Why don't YOU show ME what medal Pernell Whitaker won in the Olympics, and why don't YOU tell ME what weight class?

Why don't YOU show ME what professional junior lightweight fight Pernell Whiaker ever had, genius.

Back up your own lies, or admit you were lying (or that you didn't know WTH you were talking about).

No need to throw insults Jack I am not here to take your abuse about spelling mistakes and other crap, seems to be a habit of yours when someone does not agree with what you say. Not a very good sign of character in my opinion.

It is actually a habit of the people who argue with me (1) to be unable to spell correctly in the same sentences they're (2) unable to think correctly.
The defects tend to go hand-in-hand

What is not a very good indication of character is you lying to sustain your argument.

Now YOU tell ME what weight Chavez was Champion at for the majority of his career, and retained for 9 title defenses.
You tell ME what weight Pernell won his Olympic Gold in.
You tell ME what weight Pernell began his professional career in.
You tell ME what weight Pernell was, and what weight Chavez was, when they fought each other.

Then YOU admit to ME *which* you were doing, LYING or BEING CLUELESS, in your statement "Chavez was the bigger man" than Whitaker.

Let's see how stout your character is

I have FACTUALLY destroyed you. Let's see if you can admit this.

The only thing you have done is argue your "imaginary boxing card" as to who won the Chavez/Whitaker fight, in defiance of the actual cards

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Now Regarding Hagler vs. Chavez ... and which one was FACTUALLY the better fighter, pound-for-pound ...

Here are THE FACTS:

Hagler was 62-3-2 (67 fights total / 93% wins / 78% KOs) at his best weight;
Chavez was 55-0-0 (55 fights total / 100% wins / 84% KOs) at his best weight;

Hagler was 62-2-2 when he faced Leonard, at his own best weight, yet he lost, and then quit boxing altogether;
Chavez was 87-0-0 when he faced Whitaker, 3 weight divisions over his best, he got a draw, and kept fighting and winning afterward;

Hagler's best weight was 158
Leonard's best weight was 147

Chavez' best weight was 129
Whitaker's best weight was 135

Hagler LOST to a naturally 11-lb smaller man;
Chavez DREW to a naturally 6-lb bigger man;

FACT: Chavez moved up in weight class, to Lightweight, NEVER lost, and DESTROYED everyone he fought there too;
FACT: Hagler never moved up in weight class, lost 3x and drew twice, in his best weight class;

FACT: EVERYONE who beat Hagler was his same size, or smaller; and so he never risked moving up;
FACT: NO ONE Chavez's size ever beat him;
FACT: NO ONE the next weight class up, Lightweight, ever beat Chavez either;
FACT: The only losses Chavez ever suffered were 2-3 weight divisions above his best, after he had NEARLY 90 FOCKING FIGHTS WITHOUT A SINGLE LOSS!!!

FACT: Chavez had a better record, on every level, any way you want to slice it, than Hagler did. Period.

So now, you tell me "why" ... what OBJECTIVE FACTS you have in your hand ... that could possibly place Hagler over Chavez pound-for-pound ... and what OBJECTIVE FACTS made you say Chavez was "the bigger man": than Whitaker

Jack

Bottom Line: So, no, you don't know how to think accurately ... so let me turn the light on for you

[Bullman]

Ok GENIUS here you go http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=555&cat=boxer check his first two fights, this is his professional record GENIUS what weights were those at? NOW ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.

You said SRL slapped Hagler silly, not bitch slapped or pitty patted. I said Hagler was never outclassed and you said "oh you must have forgot about Leonard"

The fight was a draw on the cards duh we all know that, that does not mean it was close. Lennox Lewis vs Holyfield was a draw too ON THE CARDS but anyone with half a boxing brain knows who won those fights.

Jack I know this is the highlight of your life arguing online all day because you have no family life and no dogs so off you go. I will show my true character now by not replying to you anymore so you will have to find someone else to keep you occupied.

[Officially Retired]

Ok GENIUS here you go http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=555&cat=boxer check his first two fights, this is his professional record GENIUS what weights were those at? NOW ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.

You said SRL slapped Hagler silly, not bitch slapped or pitty patted. I said Hagler was never outclassed and you said "oh you must have forgot about Leonard"

The fight was a draw on the cards duh we all know that, that does not mean it was close. Lennox Lewis vs Holyfield was a draw too ON THE CARDS but anyone with half a boxing brain knows who won those fights.

Jack I know this is the highlight of your life arguing online all day because you have no family life and no dogs so off you go. I will show my true character now by not replying to you anymore so you will have to find someone else to keep you occupied.

Son, I am arguing FACTS, you are arguing "opinion." And, YES, Leonard outclassed Hagler with his brain (I have already covered why).
And the fight wasn't a "draw" either; the FACT is, Hagler LOST. Your "opinion" means nothing.

Now, as to Chavez/Whitaker (which you're trying to avoid), classic, you provide a link which PROVES you are too freaking clueless to realize that 134 lb is still within the LIGHTWEIGHT limit

Admit "I" was wrong?
Um, genius, you need to step up and admit YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

Reality check: 135 is the MAX a fighter can be and still be a Lightweight.
That means a 134 lb fighter is still a lightweight, 1-lb shy of the MAX for that division

130 lb is the MAX a fighter can be to be a Junior Lightweight ... which means 134 lb is 4-lb OVER the Junior LW limit
Whitaker was NEVER a Junior Lightweight (even in the Olympics, he fought as a Lightweight);
Chavez' last fight at Junior Lightweight, after 55 fights, was @ 129 lb

Whitaker was always a LIGHTWEIGHT ...
Jesus, can you get anything right

By your own link, Whitaker clearly BEGAN his pro career at 134, 5-lb bigger than Chavez was after his 55th fight;
Meanwhile Chavez FINISHED his Junior Lightweight career (55 fights) at 129, or less, which is 5-lb lighter than Whitaker was when he began his pro career);
(Chavez began his pro career at 121.)

So, again, YOU are the one who is wrong on every level;

You can't add and subtract;
You think "your opinion" is a "fact," which makes you unable to be reasoned with;
You can't admit something as obvious as the numerical fact that 134 is greater than 129;
You can't admit something as obvious as the numerical fact 145 is greater than 142 (which is the weights Whitaker/Chavez actually fought at);
You don't understand 134 lb, the weight Whitaker first was when he turned pro, is still in the lightweight division;
You don't see that Chavez first began his career at 121, and fought under the 130 lb limit for all of his prime career, while Whitaker began his career just under the 135 limit, and then quickly moved up;
(Whitaker even fought at the 135 lb limit as an amateur in the Olympics as a very young man ...)

There is not ONE, SINGLE objective fact which gives you a reason to say, "Chavez was the bigger man," which makes you (and your entire belief system surrounding Chavez) WRONG.
The FACT is, Chavez was the SMALLER man, all throughout his career, as well as on the actual fight night (Chavez' 88th and Whitaker's 33rd).

Thus YOU are the one who needs to man-up and admit he is wrong here ... "genius"

[bamaman]

Lol then they get mad because you won't buy them..I know some of you have been offered free dogs and alot of the times you run into the same thing as mentioned above but not all the times..I don't mind spending cash for something I want but sometimes a deal can't be made and its better to just shake hands and walk away.