Raw Feeding Fact or Myth?

[R2L]

I have got one 44 lbs dog who eats 400 gr of raw a day a doesn't drink a drip of water. When that same dog is on kibbles he drinks 1 liter. Thats what i meant.

Now if there is one thing i learned is that you can better drink allot of water then too little since it will cause water retention.

Another thing, I recently switched all my dogs to dog lovers gold for economical reasons. One of the positive sides about it is all my dogs are properly hydrated now. 2 of them had a 2-3+ sec skin count when they were on raw and they just would not drink. I was working one in a keep at one point i was just walking 30 minutes and treadmill 25 minutes, he ate 750 gr of raw + 700 ML water and it still did not hydrate the dog. Because they drink all at once and dont drink any more after that, most of it just comes out just as quick.

[Limey Kennels]

R2L i know my spelling su.ks, but please read, it again . you wil see that when dry food is soakt that al the things your used to see your dog doing fed on raw is the same. and yes heating up the meat prossest for kibble breaks douwn the hormons and the antibiotics. wich is NOT the case when feeding raw!!!.

The douwnside of the heating up prosses of the meat used in kibble is that it also partly distrois the amino acids,wichs is where the skin and coat problems come from... wich not happens when feeding raw!!!.
Now you CAN ad amino acids to dry kibbel and soak it to get the same % of water in your dry food!!.
But you CANT get the anitibiotics and hormon levels out of the raw meat . HENS i feed the dry food kibble the way it SHOULD be done as i discribed it.. and stay away from feeding raw..
Just for you to know govermends all over the world INCLUDING the usa are dealing with a major problem in the human spiecies being almost imume to antibiotis DUE to the high levels being used in the Bio industry , wich makes up 80% of your usa and european protien base food!!.

Now our food is Kookt baked and heated up and stil we have major problem getting to much antibiotic and hormon levels in our systems !!. Can you imagion how much of that shit stacks up in our dogs when fed raw!!!??....
now unles you are 100% sure of your raw protien sours, then il say ok go for it . but i dont belive anybody with more then 4 ore 5 dogs would spend the money time and energy on mega green hippy protien raised on 100% natural foods and flafours. its simply to ecspensif ..not even old Jack is feeding that.looking at his videos.....

please do not forget that iven free roaming animals bred raised for that perpose are fed kibble themselfs in winter time!. and all the bio industri food is bassed on prossest animal waist . YEP thats right How good is that when the cow sheep chiken you ore your dogs eat is being fed of the waist protien of those animals..............And themselfs

Conclusion is. the chicken and meat you feed to your dogs are themselfs fed with prossest animal protien.!!! as with dry kibble .............

[FrostyPaws]

Just for you to know govermends all over the world INCLUDING the usa are dealing with a major problem in the human spiecies being almost imume to antibiotis DUE to the high levels being used in the Bio industry

This isn't true. The human species and a lot of the virus and bacteria have mutated due to US, as a species, throwing Abx at problems that didn't really need Abx. So now you have Abx resistant strains of all kind of things due to that fact. You couple that with people not taking the prescribed Abx as indicated, and you just compound that problem two fold. The Abx and hormones in some meats are certainly to blame for some things, but almost all the blame falls on our shoulders not the industries.

[Officially Retired]

R2L i know my spelling su.ks, but please read, it again . you wil see that when dry food is soakt that al the things your used to see your dog doing fed on raw is the same. and yes heating up the meat prossest for kibble breaks douwn the hormons and the antibiotics. wich is NOT the case when feeding raw!!!.
The douwnside of the heating up prosses of the meat used in kibble is that it also partly distrois the amino acids,wichs is where the skin and coat problems come from... wich not happens when feeding raw!!!.
Now you CAN ad amino acids to dry kibbel and soak it to get the same % of water in your dry food!!.
But you CANT get the anitibiotics and hormon levels out of the raw meat . HENS i feed the dry food kibble the way it SHOULD be done as i discribed it.. and stay away from feeding raw..
Just for you to know govermends all over the world INCLUDING the usa are dealing with a major problem in the human spiecies being almost imume to antibiotis DUE to the high levels being used in the Bio industry , wich makes up 80% of your usa and european protien base food!!.
Now our food is Kookt baked and heated up and stil we have major problem getting to much antibiotic and hormon levels in our systems !!. Can you imagion how much of that shit stacks up in our dogs when fed raw!!!??....
now unles you are 100% sure of your raw protien sours, then il say ok go for it . but i dont belive anybody with more then 4 ore 5 dogs would spend the money time and energy on mega green hippy protien raised on 100% natural foods and flafours. its simply to ecspensif ..not even old Jack is feeding that.looking at his videos.....
please do not forget that iven free roaming animals bred raised for that perpose are fed kibble themselfs in winter time!. and all the bio industri food is bassed on prossest animal waist . YEP thats right How good is that when the cow sheep chiken you ore your dogs eat is being fed of the waist protien of those animals..............And themselfs
Conclusion is. the chicken and meat you feed to your dogs are themselfs fed with prossest animal protien.!!! as with dry kibble .............

This is laughable.

The two biggest components of protein in muscle meat are 1) water and 2) amino acids.

The very fact that kibble LACKS the amino acids and water of raw muscle meat is prima facie *proof* that it is an inferior protein source to raw meat

And then to sit here and say, "Just add water and add back amino acids back to your kibble," to make it "as good as" raw is almost insane. First of all, adding water and amino acids back to kibble is NOT the same as natural raw meat ... and second of all, trying to do something "extra" with the kibble is an admission in-and-of-itself that it is LACKING as a food source ... again, precisely because the two most important constituents of protein (amino acids and water) have been destroyed in the kibbling process.

Hell, even if you could magically add "this and that" to kibble to make it "as good as raw" again, WHY THE FOGGG should anyone go through all of that bullshit, when they can just feed raw to begin with?

If you're worried about bacteria, just take a big cauldron and boil the chicken for a bit. Or feed it frozen. Bacteria problem solved, and you will still be feeding a helluva lot better than kibble

Jack

[Doc Ellis]

Limey are you saying that just adding water to kibble is going to give the same nutrition as a balanced raw meal? and if the the kibble contains meat wouldnt that meat be filled up with hormones and antbiotics?
theres no way an animal feed plant is using higher quality meat for their food than you can get from your local butcher/walmart.

[Black Hand]

Limey are you saying that just adding water to kibble is going to give the same nutrition as a balanced raw meal? and if the the kibble contains meat wouldnt that meat be filled up with hormones and antbiotics?
theres no way an animal feed plant is using higher quality meat for their food than you can get from your local butcher/walmart.

he is saying the kibble just lacks the amino acids but antibiotics are baked out, while the raw meat has the amino acids but antibiotics are not baked out because it's raw.

[Limey Kennels]

he is saying the kibble just lacks the amino acids but antibiotics are baked out, while the raw meat has the amino acids but antibiotics are not baked out because it's raw.

Aczackly!! AND quality and i repeat QUALITY drij kibble is mutch more balanced then raw diet. as every pallet is the same and of the same consistensy. dont let stories fool you about Drij kibble being bad. as the minerals and vitamins are included AFTHER the heating prosses of the protien sours!!! same with the FAT sours and PRO BIOTICS.. Now dont get me wrong im not against raw diets . but to do it right for major leaque performance is a siense on its self.practicly imposible. Hens the greyhound scene use a raw protien sours mixt in with drij kibble specialy made for that perpose..
chek text below!. these problems are presend in our dogs as wel when feeding raw . BUT it wil NOT shows/reveals itself on the viseble outside as mutch as with the gryhounds . we DO have a toughfer breed.. but it thuse efects performance


FOOD HYGIENE

The other major problem to which greyhounds are commonly subjected is the consumption of “”””highlycontaminated meat”””” containing potentially pathogenic “”””Salmonella and E. coli bacterial species””””. The widespread use of 3-D (debilitated, diseased or dying) and 4-D meat (add dead to 3-D specifications) as a base for greyhound diets in the US because of economic considerations increases the bacterial challenge to the gastrointestinal, immune and hepatic systems. Greyhounds often develop bacterial diarrhoea and associated dehydration when contaminated meat with a high microbial count is fed.

There is also the risk of “”antibiotic residues”” being excreted into the urine. These residues can be detected as prohibited substances on race day in greyhounds fed meat from animals treated with “”””antibiotics and other drugs”””” prior to slaughter or death. The adoption of a “”””complete dry food diet”””” eliminates”””” these risks in greyhounds raced on a regular weekly basis.


Conclusion


Greyhounds are “”elite athletic animals”” that are subjected to “”extreme”” physical exertion during racing and the cumulative effects of environmental, metabolic and physical stress when trained and raced on a regular basis. They “”must”” be provided with a palatable, “”low bulk””, high energy-dense ration, with a medium crude protein and fat content to maintain competitive speed and stamina within set limits of body weight. An “”adequate”” intake of minerals, trace minerals, electrolytes and vitamins to correct low, imbalanced or inadequate levels in “”””””meat-based diets””””””, in particular, is “”””””essential”””””” to maintain musculo-skeletal soundness, optimum metabolic activity, strong immune status and overall health in greyhounds racing between a relatively young age of 15 months to a mature age of between 3 and 4 years.


PS DOC ELLIS most quality dog food brands are made for HUMAN consumption!! and yes they do use human standerd meat/protien sourses for that.. this has been determind in some countries bij stae ore country law. just in case some major disaster happends where people can live of off drij dog food kibbel..

[Black Hand]

Aczackly!! AND quality and i repeat QUALITY drij kibble is mutch more balanced then raw diet. as every pallet is the same and of the same consistensy. dont let stories fool you about Drij kibble being bad. as the minerals and vitamins are included AFTHER the heating prosses of the protien sours!!! same with the FAT sours and PRO BIOTICS.. Now dont get me wrong im not against raw diets . but to do it right for major leaque performance is a siense on its self.practicly imposible. Hens the greyhound scene use a raw protien sours mixt in with drij kibble specialy made for that perpose..
chek text below!. these problems are presend in our dogs as wel when feeding raw . BUT it wil NOT shows/reveals itself on the viseble outside as mutch as with the gryhounds . we DO have a toughfer breed.. but it thuse efects performance


FOOD HYGIENE

The other major problem to which greyhounds are commonly subjected is the consumption of “”””highlycontaminated meat”””” containing potentially pathogenic “”””Salmonella and E. coli bacterial species””””. The widespread use of 3-D (debilitated, diseased or dying) and 4-D meat (add dead to 3-D specifications) as a base for greyhound diets in the US because of economic considerations increases the bacterial challenge to the gastrointestinal, immune and hepatic systems. Greyhounds often develop bacterial diarrhoea and associated dehydration when contaminated meat with a high microbial count is fed.

There is also the risk of “”antibiotic residues”” being excreted into the urine. These residues can be detected as prohibited substances on race day in greyhounds fed meat from animals treated with “”””antibiotics and other drugs”””” prior to slaughter or death. The adoption of a “”””complete dry food diet”””” eliminates”””” these risks in greyhounds raced on a regular weekly basis.


Conclusion


Greyhounds are “”elite athletic animals”” that are subjected to “”extreme”” physical exertion during racing and the cumulative effects of environmental, metabolic and physical stress when trained and raced on a regular basis. They “”must”” be provided with a palatable, “”low bulk””, high energy-dense ration, with a medium crude protein and fat content to maintain competitive speed and stamina within set limits of body weight. An “”adequate”” intake of minerals, trace minerals, electrolytes and vitamins to correct low, imbalanced or inadequate levels in “”””””meat-based diets””””””, in particular, is “”””””essential”””””” to maintain musculo-skeletal soundness, optimum metabolic activity, strong immune status and overall health in greyhounds racing between a relatively young age of 15 months to a mature age of between 3 and 4 years.


PS DOC ELLIS most quality dog food brands are made for HUMAN consumption!! and yes they do use human standerd meat/protien sourses for that.. this has been determind in some countries bij stae ore country law. just in case some major disaster happends where people can live of off drij dog food kibbel..

those dogs are probably getting sick cuz they are being fed 4-D meat sold to kennels for cheap not exactly the same quality of meat we are buying at the grocery store.

[CRISIS]

this is why id like to farm MY OWN meat birds....

[tasoschatz]

It is the first time I hear that heat treatment can destroy aminoacids, to brake aminoacid chains and give a faster absorved protein yes, but to completely destroy aminos? then we would have nitrogen fumes all over the production line, wouldn't we?