Human aggressive pitbull advice

[APBT]

Thank you Mr. Koerner and to all the advice I received from everyone. I decided It is best to not post a video of the dog in order to protect the breeder’s reputation, my dog’s reputation, and my dog’s ancestors reputation. Everyone has their opinion and there is no way of changing people’s opinion. It is very difficult to convince someone to think a certain way if they do not want to. I have tried before, but it is almost impossible. Having said that I feel I must defend Human aggresive dogs. The words “human aggressive” explain the result but not the catalyst of what caused the human aggression in the first place. A better phrase to identify a dog that exhibits aggression towards humans could be reffered to as an “insecure dog” that when provoked either bites, growls, barks or runs away. In this forum we are talking about the ones that bite when they are provoked. A human can “provoke” an insecure dog in ways that would seem harmless in the human’s eyes, however through the dog’s eyes they are doing something that poses a threat. Something as simple as standing near an insecure dog could provoke them. Having the ability to read an insecure dog’s mind is essential when approaching one. When an insecure dog is born in a litter, my belief is that it is mother nature’s way of reverting back to its wild side. There is a reason deers, birds, wolves, etc. go away when there are humans around. The reason is fear. The fear is due to the fact that different species most of the time don’t understand each other. And as humans we generally fear what we do not understand. If these animals were not afraid then there would be no deers, birds, and wolves left in this world and everybody would have a wolf rug in their living room.

There are some people that have the ability to relate to wild animals. These people were able to set their fears aside and form a trust with mother nature that few people can do. Not everyone has this ability to give 100% of themselves to an insecure animal and establish a relationship of trust and understanding. But why do I compare “insecure dogs” with wild animals? Well, both insecure dogs and wild animals are very similar in that they are not “mans best friend”, they are very selective of who they choose to trust. They are instead a “few mans and womans best friends.” Only people that are genuinely willing to set their fears and prejudices aside and give 100% of themselves will form a bond with these animals. Unfortunately, if there is not a genuine bond then there is a chance of being attacked. For example, has anyone ever tried to “rescue” a stray dog from the street with the best intentions, only to find out the dog didn’t want help and ran away? The dog ran away because it was afraid and chances are if you would have tried to grab it, it would have bitten you.

I have been attacked many times by dogs throughout my life for many reasons. And many times I have felt angry at the dogs. I felt angry because I did not understand that the dog was actually afraid of me at that moment in time for whatever reason. Seven years ago I acquired a dog that was bred to indiscriminately fear everything and attack. If I had known that the dog was going to be fearful I would have never supported the breeder by buying a dog from him. I am not going to say the breed because I can’t stand the “breedism” that exists against dogs. I tried so hard to socialize this dog and try to boost his confidence. Constantly taking him out on walks and exposing him to different scenarios, and trying to make a positive experience out of everything. Seven years later, I am proud to say I have one of the best representatives of my dogs lineage. It was through my time and effort that I was able to help him become a more confident dog. However, I did pass many hard times, where I felt like a failure, because even with all the time I spent on him, his genetics were too strong. I now accept him for who he is and feel content with the more confident dog I have.

Having an insecure dog is like having a special needs child. You must always be one step ahead of your dogs thought process to see how he is feeling or thinking at that very moment. In a way you are forced to do this to avoid getting into trouble with society. For example, if you have an insecure dog and you are walking in the park, if someone approaches you all of a sudden, you must hold on to that leash like your life depended on it to avoid any problems. If you socialized your insecure dog enough then nothing will happen, but the leash will always have to remain short and tight in these instance, just in case.

Since an insecure dog forces the owner to get into that dog’s mind or at least try 100% of the time for obvious safety reasons, the owner starts to think like his dog and learns to see it transparently. This skill could then be used with humans. Many times I have been surprised at how fast I am able to read a person when I first meet them. I know if that person is a hypocrite, crazy, fearful, traumatized, ignorant, special, smart etc.. I owe this skill I have to my insecure dog, who again forced me to get inside of his mind and in a way forced me to change.

Many people advised me in this forum to put the dog to sleep. But in my belief, the “dog” is part of my family and we are all in this together. Society will probably think I am crazy, but I have much respect for mother nature and the greatest teachers in my life were dogs. They have taught me the true meaning of loyalty and love, simplicity, honesty, transparency. For example, a dog will never divorce you. Human relationships are too fragile. Human-dog relationships are forever like stone. We should learn from the dogs and keep it simple.

I truly believe that when my dog attacked my family members it was because they did something that the dog percieved as a threat. Again his threshold of tolerance is much weaker than a stable dog, so what they did to provoke the attack could have been relatively seen as harmless in human eyes but as a threat in his eyes. For the rest of this dog’s life I am prepared to keep everyone around the dog and the dog safe. It is weird, but when you have an insecure dog, you end up protecting the dog from feeling threatened and you become the guardian of the household. Through my experience with living with insecure dogs I can honestly say that they do not enjoy being aggressive. In fact they would rather avoid it at all costs. Therefore, the owner if he cares about the dog ends up protecting the dog from feeling uneasy for the rest of its life.

I have some theories on how insecure dogs can go unnoticed in a kennel. For example: take an potentially insecure dog and put it in a stable environment such as a traditional kennel in a wooded calm area for its entire life. The dog will eventually get used to its surroundings and appear to be confident. However, take that same dog and put it into a more dynamic environment such as a city and you will notice aspects of his temperament no one has ever noticed in its previous kennel home.

Another theory I have on how an insecure dog or its ancestors can go unnoticed in a kennel is the following: For example take an insecure dog and put it into a traditional kennel ( a nice wooded calm area) for its entire life, with an owner that has many other dogs. Lets just say, the owner or breeder is only able to give a limited amount of attention to each dog since he has so many. As a result this insecure dog has never really bonded with anyone and is more open to be petted from a stranger visiting the kennel. Now take that same insecure dog and put it in my hands, someone who spends so much time with the dog in parks etc. that people would say I am crazy and you will have a dog that no longer craves human attention from strangers and becomes over protective of its owner. I think this is what happened in my case. The rest of my family does not have the same passion for dogs that I have and I have spent so much time with the dog compared to them, that the dog never really accepted them in the first place and attacked because they were always strangers in his eyes. This is why I am trying to make my family members spend more time with myself and the dog, so that they will be seen not as strangers, but more as family in the dog’s eyes.

I am not afraid to say I am a beginner to this breed. This is my first dog from this lineage on paper and everything I learned was the hard way. I would like to ask for some advice. My dog seems to be a redirecter. A few months ago, in my ignorance, I had three dogs out in my yard at the same time, including the one this forum is about which I will refer to X. The two adults started fighting and X wanted to join in. I was able to separate the two adults, but since I blocked X from getting close to the other dogs with my arm he started biting at my arm. He grabbed my jacket and shook and tore my jacket. He then rushed towards me like a train wanting to continue to attack. I stretched out my arms locked my elbows and held onto his collar to block him from getting near me. After about ten seconds of me holding him in place he calmed down. I let go of the collar and everything was fine.

Another incident happened twice, in the park. When I walking through the park on two occassions I came across two dogs that were off leash. The dogs got close to me and circled around me. I noticed that X was getting excited and after a short while of this he bit me in the leg. However, he quickly let go. I wanted to ask if this is acceptable behavior? The first incident of the fight was scary as he probably would have done damage if it were not for my jacket.

Thank you again, Mr Koerner and everyone else from the forum for the advi

[HOMEWORK215]

this is the problem if it were just you then i'd say to an extent try to see what happens BUT KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A ANIMAL WHO ALREADY HAS IN IT'S MIND TO BE AGGRESSIVE THIS IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN CASE IN POINT I RAISE THIS DOG SINCE IT WAS A PUP BROUGHT THIS DOG FORM THE JAWS OF DEATH THE DOG WAS FLEE INFESTED. AND STARVED i got this dog back to health and trained this dog to the T this dog got attached to brother and you couldn't call my brothers name with out this dog going off but i have to keep in mind this dog loved women and children unless you came at my brother wrong i'm saying this to say if this this dog happens to get loose and decides to let his animal nature get the best of him watch out cause some body might get hurt so ask yourself is this dog worth the possible problem only you know so GOOD LUCK WITH THE DOG AND I HOPE THAT ALL WILL BE WELL ps if this hound is people aggressive and you talking about breeding this future dog what are you going to do with the pups cause in the wrong hand a people aggressive APBT is like a LOADED GUN IN A CHILDS HAND AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

[dtakennels]

Thank you Mr. Koerner and to all the advice I received from everyone. I decided It is best to not post a video of the dog in order to protect the breeder’s reputation, my dog’s reputation, and my dog’s ancestors reputation. Everyone has their opinion and there is no way of changing people’s opinion. It is very difficult to convince someone to think a certain way if they do not want to. I have tried before, but it is almost impossible. Having said that I feel I must defend Human aggresive dogs. The words “human aggressive” explain the result but not the catalyst of what caused the human aggression in the first place. A better phrase to identify a dog that exhibits aggression towards humans could be reffered to as an “insecure dog” that when provoked either bites, growls, barks or runs away. In this forum we are talking about the ones that bite when they are provoked. A human can “provoke” an insecure dog in ways that would seem harmless in the human’s eyes, however through the dog’s eyes they are doing something that poses a threat. Something as simple as standing near an insecure dog could provoke them. Having the ability to read an insecure dog’s mind is essential when approaching one. When an insecure dog is born in a litter, my belief is that it is mother nature’s way of reverting back to its wild side. There is a reason deers, birds, wolves, etc. go away when there are humans around. The reason is fear. The fear is due to the fact that different species most of the time don’t understand each other. And as humans we generally fear what we do not understand. If these animals were not afraid then there would be no deers, birds, and wolves left in this world and everybody would have a wolf rug in their living room.

There are some people that have the ability to relate to wild animals. These people were able to set their fears aside and form a trust with mother nature that few people can do. Not everyone has this ability to give 100% of themselves to an insecure animal and establish a relationship of trust and understanding. But why do I compare “insecure dogs” with wild animals? Well, both insecure dogs and wild animals are very similar in that they are not “mans best friend”, they are very selective of who they choose to trust. They are instead a “few mans and womans best friends.” Only people that are genuinely willing to set their fears and prejudices aside and give 100% of themselves will form a bond with these animals. Unfortunately, if there is not a genuine bond then there is a chance of being attacked. For example, has anyone ever tried to “rescue” a stray dog from the street with the best intentions, only to find out the dog didn’t want help and ran away? The dog ran away because it was afraid and chances are if you would have tried to grab it, it would have bitten you.

I have been attacked many times by dogs throughout my life for many reasons. And many times I have felt angry at the dogs. I felt angry because I did not understand that the dog was actually afraid of me at that moment in time for whatever reason. Seven years ago I acquired a dog that was bred to indiscriminately fear everything and attack. If I had known that the dog was going to be fearful I would have never supported the breeder by buying a dog from him. I am not going to say the breed because I can’t stand the “breedism” that exists against dogs. I tried so hard to socialize this dog and try to boost his confidence. Constantly taking him out on walks and exposing him to different scenarios, and trying to make a positive experience out of everything. Seven years later, I am proud to say I have one of the best representatives of my dogs lineage. It was through my time and effort that I was able to help him become a more confident dog. However, I did pass many hard times, where I felt like a failure, because even with all the time I spent on him, his genetics were too strong. I now accept him for who he is and feel content with the more confident dog I have.

Having an insecure dog is like having a special needs child. You must always be one step ahead of your dogs thought process to see how he is feeling or thinking at that very moment. In a way you are forced to do this to avoid getting into trouble with society. For example, if you have an insecure dog and you are walking in the park, if someone approaches you all of a sudden, you must hold on to that leash like your life depended on it to avoid any problems. If you socialized your insecure dog enough then nothing will happen, but the leash will always have to remain short and tight in these instance, just in case.

Since an insecure dog forces the owner to get into that dog’s mind or at least try 100% of the time for obvious safety reasons, the owner starts to think like his dog and learns to see it transparently. This skill could then be used with humans. Many times I have been surprised at how fast I am able to read a person when I first meet them. I know if that person is a hypocrite, crazy, fearful, traumatized, ignorant, special, smart etc.. I owe this skill I have to my insecure dog, who again forced me to get inside of his mind and in a way forced me to change.

Many people advised me in this forum to put the dog to sleep. But in my belief, the “dog” is part of my family and we are all in this together. Society will probably think I am crazy, but I have much respect for mother nature and the greatest teachers in my life were dogs. They have taught me the true meaning of loyalty and love, simplicity, honesty, transparency. For example, a dog will never divorce you. Human relationships are too fragile. Human-dog relationships are forever like stone. We should learn from the dogs and keep it simple.

I truly believe that when my dog attacked my family members it was because they did something that the dog percieved as a threat. Again his threshold of tolerance is much weaker than a stable dog, so what they did to provoke the attack could have been relatively seen as harmless in human eyes but as a threat in his eyes. For the rest of this dog’s life I am prepared to keep everyone around the dog and the dog safe. It is weird, but when you have an insecure dog, you end up protecting the dog from feeling threatened and you become the guardian of the household. Through my experience with living with insecure dogs I can honestly say that they do not enjoy being aggressive. In fact they would rather avoid it at all costs. Therefore, the owner if he cares about the dog ends up protecting the dog from feeling uneasy for the rest of its life.

I have some theories on how insecure dogs can go unnoticed in a kennel. For example: take an potentially insecure dog and put it in a stable environment such as a traditional kennel in a wooded calm area for its entire life. The dog will eventually get used to its surroundings and appear to be confident. However, take that same dog and put it into a more dynamic environment such as a city and you will notice aspects of his temperament no one has ever noticed in its previous kennel home.

Another theory I have on how an insecure dog or its ancestors can go unnoticed in a kennel is the following: For example take an insecure dog and put it into a traditional kennel ( a nice wooded calm area) for its entire life, with an owner that has many other dogs. Lets just say, the owner or breeder is only able to give a limited amount of attention to each dog since he has so many. As a result this insecure dog has never really bonded with anyone and is more open to be petted from a stranger visiting the kennel. Now take that same insecure dog and put it in my hands, someone who spends so much time with the dog in parks etc. that people would say I am crazy and you will have a dog that no longer craves human attention from strangers and becomes over protective of its owner. I think this is what happened in my case. The rest of my family does not have the same passion for dogs that I have and I have spent so much time with the dog compared to them, that the dog never really accepted them in the first place and attacked because they were always strangers in his eyes. This is why I am trying to make my family members spend more time with myself and the dog, so that they will be seen not as strangers, but more as family in the dog’s eyes.

I am not afraid to say I am a beginner to this breed. This is my first dog from this lineage on paper and everything I learned was the hard way. I would like to ask for some advice. My dog seems to be a redirecter. A few months ago, in my ignorance, I had three dogs out in my yard at the same time, including the one this forum is about which I will refer to X. The two adults started fighting and X wanted to join in. I was able to separate the two adults, but since I blocked X from getting close to the other dogs with my arm he started biting at my arm. He grabbed my jacket and shook and tore my jacket. He then rushed towards me like a train wanting to continue to attack. I stretched out my arms locked my elbows and held onto his collar to block him from getting near me. After about ten seconds of me holding him in place he calmed down. I let go of the collar and everything was fine.

Another incident happened twice, in the park. When I walking through the park on two occassions I came across two dogs that were off leash. The dogs got close to me and circled around me. I noticed that X was getting excited and after a short while of this he bit me in the leg. However, he quickly let go. I wanted to ask if this is acceptable behavior? The first incident of the fight was scary as he probably would have done damage if it were not for my jacket.

Thank you again, Mr Koerner and everyone else from the forum for the advi

you sir are the reason I no longer sale dogs....You asked for advice yet you had all the answers the whole time...In 8 to 10 months when that man eater jumps on a kid I hope you enjoy your time in court and I will thank you now for bringing even more bad press for our breed..

[Officially Retired]

Thank you Mr. Koerner and to all the advice I received from everyone. I decided It is best to not post a video of the dog in order to protect the breeder’s reputation, my dog’s reputation, and my dog’s ancestors reputation. Everyone has their opinion and there is no way of changing people’s opinion. It is very difficult to convince someone to think a certain way if they do not want to. I have tried before, but it is almost impossible. Having said that I feel I must defend Human aggresive dogs. The words “human aggressive” explain the result but not the catalyst of what caused the human aggression in the first place. A better phrase to identify a dog that exhibits aggression towards humans could be reffered to as an “insecure dog” that when provoked either bites, growls, barks or runs away. In this forum we are talking about the ones that bite when they are provoked. A human can “provoke” an insecure dog in ways that would seem harmless in the human’s eyes, however through the dog’s eyes they are doing something that poses a threat.

You're welcome for the advice, and I am sorry you paid no attention to the good advice given you. I do not have the time, nor the inclination any longer, to write too much about this topic again, as everything I could possibly say has pretty much already been said.

I will say I agree with your premise that it is impossible to change most people's opinion, as you provide a classic example of this. Where we disagree is on the level of expertise that is in back of different people's opinions, which thereby has to do with the accuracy of two opinions as they differ and relate to a subject. If you think that "you" (as a beginner who doesn't really understand what he's talking about), are going to change "my" opinion (as a man who's been around thousands of these dogs, and who literally "wrote the book" on this breed), that's a pretty high esteem you have for your green opinion. Unfortunately, sticking to your beliefs, even in the face of expert advice, while it may be the sign of a strong will, can also be a will to stupidity.

Your description of a man killer as being "insecure" is way off. What you are describing is a fear-biter, and they are not the same. A true man-killer (as I said, and you ignored) goes after people with the same zeal and intensity as it would another dog. What you described of your puppy is nothing compared to that, and is more akin to a fear biter and a dog that is not very intelligent. The description you gave of your handling of the puppy and the situation is basically beginner dog handling and the kind of thing all new owners go through with this breed. What you described about his lashing out at your family again sounds more like fear-biting, or a moody unpredictable dog, which is still an undesirable trait in an APBT. You simply haven't seen/owned far superior dogs to your pup to be able to see him for the unsuitable, inferior-tempered specimen he is.

However, since you refuse to show an actual video of your pup, there is no further we can go and no qualified "second opinion" can be given. I do not understand your unwillingness to show the video, as there is no way anyone can guess who the breeder is nor "who his ancestors are," neither of which holds any interest to me (nor, I am sure, for anyone else) either. The whole point of this thread being started, I thought, was to help you make a decision; it was originally created by you to get an expert opinion as to "what you should do" with your dog. But since you refuse to provide enough information (namely, a video so we can see), and particularly since it sounds like your mind was actually already made up from the start, there seems no point in prolonging the discussion.

I will say that what you went on and on about, regarding wild animals, has ZERO relevance to a discussion of what it takes to be a "house dog," as dogs are supposed to be domesticated animals, not wild ones, and as such are judged precisely by their suitability as happy, loving domesticated animals. The minor footnote as to "why" your dog lashes out and attacks, is not as important as the fact it does lash out. The very fact your dog does this means it is unsuitable as house dog, and your judgment to keep it anyway (because of some bizarre idea that a dog you got from someone else is "part of your family") is yours and yours alone to make. I personally don't "bond" to anything, unless it proves itself worthy of being bonded with. To form a "bond" with some poorly-tempered dog, just because it is "yours," at the expense of your family's safety (especially when there are thousands of friendlier alternatives) seems a dubious selection at best. The success or failure of any undertaking hinges on selection, and a wiser choice would be to select a better dog to make as part of your family, because there are plenty of "better dogs" to choose from than an insecure fear-biter. The truth is, everything you said about dogs that "haven't been socialized" becoming fearful is only true for lesser dogs, because I have seen (owned, bred, and raised) THOUSANDS of chain dogs that are perfectly friendly the very first time time they come into the house as totally-unsocialized adults, let alone pups, that would NEVER lash-out at a person. Therefore, your beliefs in regards to your pup are simply ignorant and based on no actual experience dealing with HUNDREDS of "unsocialized" bulldogs. Your pup doesn't act like this because he's unsocialized; he acts like this because he has an inferior temperament that may or may not have been socialized.

In the end, what you're doing is "inventing ideas" in your head, and you really aren't looking for "expert advice" at all, since in point of fact you've flatly ignored all the expert advice given, by several different knowledgeable dogmen, as per the first paragraph of your post. The truth is, what you're doing is looking for is everyone here to "agree with what you're doing," and you are hoping for us all to "commend you for what you're deciding," but you're not honestly looking to follow any actual advice if it differs from what you've already decided. I am sorry to say, but you're not going to get that kind of approval here, at least not from me, because I absolutely disagree with anyone selecting a man-biter (or even a fear-biter, as what it sounds like you have) for a house dog. Either temperament disorder represents inferior characteristics of what a true bulldog is supposed to have, in any case, let alone as a house dog. As mentioned, the success or failure of any effort all hinges on selection, and I personally (and anyone truly knowledgeable, not to mention anyone with even a lick of sense) would select a better dog to be around a family, and there are plenty of them to choose from.

Good luck though,

Jack

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[AGK]

Mathematically it works out like this:

.22 Cal. Bullet = around 7 cents

Fixing the kind of damage surgically that one of these dogs can to to a child in a home environment = $10,000 minimum and that's nip & run. Oh yeah, and again 7 cents for the. 22 Cal. bullet.

The emotional and psychological trauma an actual attack will cause to you and your family you could never put a price to.

Doing the right thing for your family = priceless.

Like Jack said earlier in this thread, a good tempered pup will make you forget all about that
dog that doesn't sound suitable for a family environment.

[Earl Tudor]

I am not afraid to say I am a beginner to this breed. This is my first dog from this lineage on paper and everything I learned was the hard way. I would like to ask for some advice.

No you don't, as you have ignored the advice of multiple 20+ year dogmen. You CHOOSE to believe your theories which AREN'T based with ANY KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE with this breed. I hope your families welfare doesn't become a byproduct of the poor choices you are making for them.

Thank you again, Mr Koerner and everyone else from the forum for the advi

Thanking people for advice you're clearly not listening to, and then asking them for more advice, is asinine.

[APBT]

Thank you again Mr. Koerner and to everyone else for their opinion and advice. The fact is everything you say about my reasoning may be true and everything I believe in may be true as well. There is no way of knowing who is right and wrong in their beliefs because what is right for some is wrong for others. I just felt it was important to defend insecure dogs and my belief is that they should not be euthanized as some people have suggested in the forum. It is true, insecure dogs are a great responsibility to raise, but raising one is also a very enlightening experience as I have talked about in my previous post. Because they are probably the most difficult to raise then in doing so the owner will learn a level of animal psychology intuition like no other. If there was a way to breed this dog and not have insecure dogs as a result I would, but if the outcome of the breeding will be more insecure dogs then I won’t. As I explained from my previous post, If I could give my insecure dog that I lived with for seven years more confidence I would, and the last thing I would do is produce another insecure dog. Not for the sake of society, but for the well being of the dogs. Whether the dog proceeds to attack with the intensity of a “man killer” or as a “fear biter” is a different story determined by genetics.

However regardless of the intensity of the attack, my belief is that either way the catalyst of the attack was the same, a misunderstanding between two species (in this case human and dog) be it due to insecurity or lack of intelligence or socialization by either one of the species. In my opinion dogs don’t have malice in their brains when they attack like humans tend to do, they only react on instinct. I don’t believe in getting rid of something because it poses a threat. I am not God. If there is something I learned from this young dog is that under certain situations especially when he is happy he knows no fear. Therefore, I must learn from him and face this situation with no fear and much responsibility as well. But I can’t be fearful and run from the situation.

I would greatly appreciate it if you would answer my question on the incidents of when he redirects that I wrote about in the previous post. I want to know if this is acceptable behavior?

Thank you to everyone and I greatly appreciate and respect everyones advice. And just because I may not listen to everyone’s opinion does not mean I should stop asking questions. I feel I should learn as much as I can from other people’s opinion. A greater injustice would be to ask no questions at all for fear of being shunned.

[evolutionkennels]

Good sir,

It is people like YOU that are the reason why PitbullS are banned in some places. You dont LISTEN to experts. THIS DOG IS GOING TO HURT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY! CAN'T YOU SEE THAT? THERE ARE MILLIONS OF SUPER SOUND DOGS WITH SECURE TEMPERAMENTS OUT THERE THAT WOULD MAKE A BETTER COMPANION THAN THE TIMEBOMB THAT YOU HAVE. CAN'T YOU SEE THAT? I was halfway tempted to GIVE you a dog so that you could see what a REAL PITBULL is like , but after seeing how STUBBORN YOU ARE, HOW YOU HAVE COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR YOUR FAMILY, HOW YOU HAVE COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE IMAGE OF THIS BREED AS A WHOLE, THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU DESERVE A REAL BULLDOG. IT IS MY SINCERE HOPE THAT YOU DONT END UP IN JAIL FOR NEGLIGENCE, OR THAT ONE OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS OR NEIGHBORS ISN'T MAULED BY YOUR DOG. However, seeing your responses.. I think you will end up in a very sad predicament

[Officially Retired]

Thank you to everyone and I greatly appreciate and respect everyones advice.

You cannot respect advice you don't feel is good enough to heed.

And just because I may not listen to everyone’s opinion does not mean I should stop asking questions.

No, but what flat-out not listening to a bit of advice you've been given means (to the people who have painstakingly taken the time to give it and answer your questions) is that these people who previously took the time to help you, might form the belief that it is a is a waste of time to give you any further advice, as you seem to be the type whose mind is made-up already, and so those who actually know better will lose all motivation for continuing to help you, since whatever information they take the time out to give will only be ignored.

You mentioned you "always have to learn the hard way," and I can see how this might be true. As Benjamin Franklin once noted: "The foolish learn sense through misfortune."

I feel I should learn as much as I can from other people’s opinion.

You haven't actually 'learned' anything, because you're in the exact same "mental boat" you were in when you originated the this thread topic. Unfortunately, what you're getting here aren't "opinions," they're facts gained through experience. For whatever reason, you have ignored essentially the UNANIMOUS good advice you've been given, from several experienced dogmen, and are now merely repeating your ignorant beliefs again in each successive post.

A greater injustice would be to ask no questions at all for fear of being shunned.

No, the greatest injustice of all would be for one of your family members (or someone else) to suffer an injury (or worse) from your ill-tempered pet, all because you didn't have the basic horse sense to listen to the expert advice of the very people you asked for it, unanimously imparted by multiple veteran dogmen, who all told you the same thing: get rid of the dog and make a better choice for a pet, before something bad happens.

Now then, since this thread is likely to escalate, because of the sense of frustration I am sure every knowledgeable dogman has over your refusal to listen, I will be closing it now.

Good luck to you,

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Thanking people for advice you're clearly not listening to, and then asking them for more advice, is asinine.

Amen!

Time to move on folks ...