Thank youOriginally Posted by skipper
Thank you
Great topic...I've noticed my racier looking dogs have tremendous wind and athletic ability. My stout dogs have good wind with more power. My Bizzie gyp seems to have a well rounded blend of physic, strength, and wind. Would like to see if I can create dogs with the physical build, strength, and athleticism of Bizzie, with just a touch of more wind!!
There is a type of fighting style that can really mess up a head dog's game or about any other style. This is a dog that when the head dog grabs it. Does not chase or run after the head dog. Stands in the middle of pit and grabs the head or under near the throat or side of jaw muscle. Or go mouth to mouth.
This dog then will fall on it's back, drive it's legs forcefully up into the guts and underneath chest. Like a wild cat fights off the bottom. The top dog has all this weight dragging it's head down. All it can do is push the other dog around and try and bite down into the bottom dog. Getting it's nose and mouth severely chewed.
This type of dog when sensing the other dog is getting weak or losing it's hold and going for it's legs etc., will with fast moves be back up on it's feet driving into the guts, chest, backend, or deep into the lower chest.
This style fighting dog is very rare and seldom seen. They are smart bottom fighters that love the head, throat and nose and much more. Do not burn themselves out needlessly and conserve themselves for the long haul if needed. JMHO.
That depends on the head dog. The only way what you describe could happen is for the head dog to still be in front of the other dog. Which isn't really a true head dog to me.
A truly great head dog typically is PERPENDICULAR to the other dog, like a T, DEEP in the ear or side of the face, so there is no way what you describe is going to happen.
That said, Poncho would do exactly what you described, if a palooka dog happened to get on his head or his ear, but NOT be at an angle to him (as above). The dogs I am thinking about had Poncho's ear, but were still in front of him, and Poncho would turn his free ear toward the floor, and get an angle up under the other dog's jaw muscle/throat, and just root-in there. He would also take the bottom, like you describe, and just relax and "stand up" on the other side of the dog, twisting its head in an awkward kinda way.
I saw him do that once or twice, but the other dogs weren't really "head dogs" -- they were just dumb dogs that tried to get feeble head holds. A truly good head dog pretty much has his opponent from the side, DEEP on the ear or head, and the opponent is pretty much biting nothing but AIR.
Jack
I would second you to that as one of my very best hounds was that style take bottom hold you out make you work trying to catch him and the second you take a deep breath he's breaking your shoulders
The 3 different body type I like!
9 month old gyp.
9 month old gyp.
14 month old male.
All are in their chain weight/condition.
Box style don't really matter to me. What matters the most is that the dog of whatever style better be GREAT at their style. For example...A GREAT chest dog can put away a good head dog and vice versa. Like the great Ch Robert T was able to stop many "good" ch and Gr ch dogs...but he lost to a "GREAT" killer dog Ch Ninja. Yes, Ch Robert T finally lost at 9 years old...with that said, his head style was probably not as good as it use to be and that's exactly my point. Style don't matter too much to me... The dog just has to be GREAT at its style.
Like the great Ch Robert T was able to stop many "good" ch and Gr ch dogs...but he lost to a "GREAT" killer dog Ch Ninja. Yes, Ch Robert T finally lost at 9 years old...with that said, his head style was probably not as good as it use to be and that's exactly my point. Style don't matter too much to me... The dog just has to be GREAT at its style.
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Um, Robert T's being 9 years old, and 9 fights-tired, had more to do with his losing than Ch Ninja's being the better dog. That and the fact Robert T broke his jaw in the first :10 ... old age = brittle bones ... and yet he still went 1:10 before he lost.
That is like singing the praises of Leon Spinks for beating an old, shopworn Muhammad Ali ... rather than having the sense to realize that Leon Spinks was A PIECE OF SHIT compared to a prime Ali
Jack
Pit bull Committed those are nice and what I myself like too. Dogs with Legs, strong build, good bone density, athletic, and square.
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