DISPUTED OR FAKE PEDS FROM THE PAST AND PRESENT .

[projectx]

ur not stating facts just mayfields rambles i would beleive floyds word over his u bought mayfields bullshit and im sorry nut that was your fault not ours mayfield could of lied about the dates and everything and he probably didmayfield was a conditioner as a breeder he sucked and those are the facts period,

BOlero you must not read to good or you would realsie it wasnt just mayfield saying that he didnt believe how blind billy was bred or that eli was bred the way floyd said he was, FLOYD BOUDREAUXS OWN WORDS MAKE HIM THE LIAR, floyd stated blind billy was born in 1952 , well dibo was born on the 21 of march 1951 and tudor never got him on his yard untill he was around 3 years old and them didnt breed him immediatley , so even if tudor had bred him the day he arrived that would be in 1954 so how the hell can he have sired blind billy who was born according to floyds own holy words in 1952 if tudor never even got dibo untill 1954 you tell me that .
And another thing i asked you what did mayfiled lie to you about for you to call him a lair ? you still havent said anything apart from deny the obvious which is that it was floyd who lied about blind billy and that means that eli is also a lie and most probably bred exactly like mayfield said and as practically anyone with half a brain , so you go on believing a lie thats what i call dumb .Now lets get this straight, most people having read and looked at the evidence such as it is in the matter of tombstones true breeding /blind billys true or unknown breeding and ELIs true breeding , have come to the conclusion that mayfield was more than likely correct ,so now who were you calling a lair again bolero ? oh yea mayfield thats right the guy that was proven correct thats who, now why dont you open your eyes and accept the truth even if it means that mayfield was not lying but floyd was , it wont kill you its called the truth it actually frees you from the chains you have been living in for many years if and by the way once you realise floyd basically stole dons breeding from claiming eli as his own blood, tehn maybe you and some others around here would understand who really was a true breeder and who wasnt , becasue mayfields blood filled the yards of many dogmen , some who were honest and some like floyd who denied it , i repoeat look at the dates that floyds says not mayfield then scractch your head a little and maybe the damn light will come on up there in the place were your brain should be, and maybe if your a man you might want to take back that shit you said about mayfield , but i wont hold my breath for that.

[No Quarter Kennel]

NQK by the looks of your post it seems like you arethe one trying to run down mayfield ,even
when as it seems that he was right about the dogs mentioned so far in this thread , which
would mean your the jealous one trying to run him down.

Nqk i would agree with you entirely about mayfield being jealous if everytime he said something about the fake peds as mentioned in this thread they all turned out to be just in his imagination, but you know who started those rumours about don being jealous? the guys who owned the dogs he was talking about i wonder why?,and guess what don was right most of the time, so maybe
your perception of a jealous man depends on whos telling you that, i dont think anyone who can add up believes that blind billy or eli were bred as floyd papered them, so maybe you missed the theory and evidence in my post about blind billy and eli , and maybe you can tells us about how old mayfield the jealous guy as you say was wrong on that one .

I don't give a shit how blind billy or eli are bred. I could NOT, in any way, care any less than I already do about ANY dog's breeding that happened 20+ years ago. Not a single one. All I can focus on are the dogs on my yard and the yards of other men I trust and believe. I haven't read hardly anything you've typed on all of this subject b/c I honestly don't care. I skim over what others on this thread type as they are easier to interpret and comprehend. Again, I don't care about the dog's breedings, so therefore, I couldn't care less about what Mayfield has said about anything other than conditioning. That's the only area I am interested in when it comes to something Don Mayfield has said.

You are obviously insanely in love with Don Mayfild and that's your right. Have at it. For me, it doesn't matter what the subject matter is. When a man makes so many attempts to say so many negative things about other people, then I lose respect for them. It gets old man. Every time you talk to a dude and all he does is run others down. Why is that? What is the source of that? Think about it.

Show me where I said something negative about DM as well. I haven't. If someone isn't licking his crack and thinking his jibber jabber that's so hard to understand some times is the gospel, then you think they are being negative. I don't like him b/c he's an extremely negative human being and I have no time for that.

"Ain't nobody got time fa-dat"

Don Mayfield is the greatest Dog Man that ever lived. He's the most honest man that ever lived - more honest than Jesus. He's undefeated, undisputed and KING OF THE WORLD! Every good dog ever bred NOT by Don is a LIE and their pedigrees really all go back to Don Mayfield. Don Mayfield INVENTED the Pit Bull Dog. Don Mayfield - Heavy Weight Beard Champion of The World.

I LOVE DON MAYFIELD.

There - you happy?........BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Freakin Christmas

[No Quarter Kennel]

ProjectX is a liar.
He doesn't have a single audio tape with ANYONE'S voice talking about anything.

I don't believe for one second you have any tapes with anything on them. I think you are making all of this up 100%.

Prove otherwise Truth Teller!

[projectx]

I don't give a shit how blind billy or eli are bred. I could NOT, in any way, care any less than I already do about ANY dog's breeding that happened 20+ years ago. Not a single one. All I can focus on are the dogs on my yard and the yards of other men I trust and believe. I haven't read hardly anything you've typed on all of this subject b/c I honestly don't care. I skim over what others on this thread type as they are easier to interpret and comprehend. Again, I don't care about the dog's breedings, so therefore, I couldn't care less about what Mayfield has said about anything other than conditioning. That's the only area I am interested in when it comes to something Don Mayfield has said.

You are obviously insanely in love with Don Mayfild and that's your right. Have at it. For me, it doesn't matter what the subject matter is. When a man makes so many attempts to say so many negative things about other people, then I lose respect for them. It gets old man. Every time you talk to a dude and all he does is run others down. Why is that? What is the source of that? Think about it.

Show me where I said something negative about DM as well. I haven't. If someone isn't licking his crack and thinking his jibber jabber that's so hard to understand some times is the gospel, then you think they are being negative. I don't like him b/c he's an extremely negative human being and I have no time for that.

"Ain't nobody got time fa-dat"

Don Mayfield is the greatest Dog Man that ever lived. He's the most honest man that ever lived - more honest than Jesus. He's undefeated, undisputed and KING OF THE WORLD! Every good dog ever bred NOT by Don is a LIE and their pedigrees really all go back to Don Mayfield. Don Mayfield INVENTED the Pit Bull Dog. Don Mayfield - Heavy Weight Beard Champion of The World.

I LOVE DON MAYFIELD.

There - you happy?........BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Freakin Christmas

NQK you can say what you like about me, but this thread was and is about dogs with fake pedsigres or at leasts ones with a known dubioius heritage, and as such if my mentioning them it is badmouthing them , that unfortunatley goes wth the territory.If you read my posts on this thread before writing you might have seen that the only one i would put my hand on my heart and say is undoubltedly fake is the blind billy and eli peds, with tombstone or the others its more a case of weighing up the facts to hand and the word of the ones around back then and decide which you think makes more sense , and i think i have said that although i tend to favour baby as tombstones dam , anything is possible, so maybe instead of you trying to bad mouth mayfield with no reason at all apart from the fact we disagree on hammonds so you want to hate on mayfield becasue of it ,even when the subject of the truth of such an important bloodline in the history of this bred as the ELI bloodline is up for discussion , you would rather not talk about that but waste your time trying to get at me by bad mouthing mayfield instead of taking an interest in the thread and maybe thinking about that, and what makes me laugh is that in your 2 posts , both of which have said nothing on any of the dogs and all they are is a rant about me and mayfield ,when maybe if you were a serious breeder as you say you are , you might have said something about it ,but of course that would mean having to agree with mayfield on something without sarcasm which you arent man enough to do are you.
Now as for my audio tapes i have a few of them and for you to call me a lair when you have no reason other than not having ever known of them or probably ever talked to mayfield as your obviously a greenhorn regardless of how long youve been breeding dogs, but the fact that i do have them and only wish i had all 400 of them and what i have said is on the tapes is infact on them ,and im sure that i am not the only one who got audio tapes from mayfield ,but i will call cyj and play the audio to him over the phone and then we can see whos a lair , and maybe the next dog i mention will be a little closer to home for you ,then you can get mad , but sometimes the only way a blind man can see is if you force his eyes wide open ,and by god yours need some serious opening thats for sure.

Now NQK when i prove i have the tapes , i will expect a full appology from you which i want you to confrim on this thread before i call a member on this thread who i have never talked to before but i asked him for his number as he seems to be very knwledgable about the game, and i would be happy to call him and he can confirm that he has infact heard the tapes.
Then i expect you will be a man and say SORRY to me,and if you confirm that you will say sorry when confiramtion of the tapes is given , i will go ahead and call this member who i was hoping to talk to anyway so i hope he wont mind if he can do that .

Now NQK by knowing that i am not a lair when you get confirmation of it, that will of course mean that whether i am correct in my beliefs or not in anything i have said to you before today or from this day forward and whether you agree with it or not i hope you can
get you to the realisation that what i have and im saying to you and others is not being said to take sides for the sake of it just becasue i happen to agree with mayfield or disagree with floyd or anyone else for that matter, its becasue i happen to think it has some truth to it ,but not just from blind faith , but from good old common sense and a little research to as best as possible say what i say , and whether you will agree or disagree with me on matters either past present or future , i have never lied or tried to deseive you or anyone else , so in that alone i hope you will never insult me again as you have done about the audios and call me a liar ,because i am not , and when as in the case of an obvious lie's like blind billy or any others that may follow on this thread, i hope you have the courage to admit you see it even if it means agreeing with me and mayfield and maybe having to disagree with one closer to you .

[CYJ]

It may or may not be true what Don said about the Blind Billie dog. Blind Billie and the Scrub dog to me look nothing like those Bully son etc. dogs. When I saw that picture of the Scrub dog taking the count. I thought to myself that dog looks sort of weird like a half breed pit and that Fuzzy tail at the end of him. Maybe just some bad angles on the picture taking.

When you call Mr. C. Mims be prepared to do a lot of listening. Make sure your calling plan has plenty of minutes. Carl and self both owned and used that little Duplechain's Sally bitch. Sally died on my yard. Carl was telling me about one of the times he was in a motel room or some place with Lonzo Pratt. Said Lonzo was drinking and feeling at ease. Told me Lonzo started laughing about how he had just sold some young unexperienced dog men some dogs with bogus papers.

That was something Mr. Mims never did or was ever spoken about in that way. He today still says the Bass Cleo bitch is bred off the Cotton's Bullet dog. Mr. Mims was at one time a boxer and I do not know if Bass ever boxed. Bass was a Boxing coach, his son was a Golden Gloves Boxer. So Mr. Mims and Bass got along real well.

I can not say the same, from some of the experiences I had with R.E. Bass. I did not trust him far as I could throw him. Mr. Teal and Rowell over time quit dealing with Bass. Bass and Rowell got in some sort of a bad dispute which ended up with Bass pulling a gun on Rowell and firing off a round or two at his feet. Even W. Truett got to go a few rounds with Ole Bass.

Bass did not play well with others. Bass had Jim Williams of Palidan fame slap Woody Truett in his own dog yard. The first vehicle that left Woody's yard he emptied his shot gun into the back of it. Sadly it was not Bass and Williams, they had managed to get gone right before Woody made it back out of his House. Was two other innocent dog men from N.C. They were lucky and did not get hurt, but the truck got shot up. This is not hear say. I was there that day.

Katie and Bass parted ways and dogs, after he deliberately hurt her son Bo Marlowe. When Bo was a little boy. Katie was a tough woman and beat ole man Bass down in the ground with a heavy work shovel. Bo told me She even threw the shovel through the back window of his car, as he was fleeing the trailer park. Fellows Katie Marlowe came up hard and was one tough woman. She was tough on those Red boy dogs as well. One did not look right or acted right. That one was a sure goner.

So what we discuss in private affairs may not always be the best thing to discuss out in the open. Someone will get offended and the pissing contest begins. I got a little carried away on that other site and had to reel it in. Will after this post bring it back down some.

On another dog site someone posted a topic about, if Jocko could have beat Crenshaw's Jeep. I jumped in with all four feet and stated that if Jocko was at Jeep's pit weight and V. Jackson conditioned Jocko. Jocko would have turned Jeep everyway but loose and helped him get over that pit wall. That Jeep tried to get over a couple of times before. LOL One of the Moderators must have had a lot of Jeep bred dogs. He banned me from the site as he stated to me, forever. LOL

So I am not really trying to dispute you are anyone else on those stories. It is just what it is today. Doubt there is any chance of changing any thing now. I can say for myself that the dog's that have my name on them are bred as shown. What the dog man did before me and after me. I had no control over that.

I had the whole dog match on 8mm film of the Famous Trahan's Cajun dog that was matched into Komosinski's Rocky dog. Mr. Mike Ferris worked the Trahan dog and Mr. Howard Teal worked the Rocky dog. My father filmed the whole event. Back then they pulled a dog down to his bottom weight. For dogs to go at it like they did and pulled that tight. You better have bred for deep gaminess.

I have misplaced this piece of dog history and hope to find it before too much longer. You have some great dog history that would be great too share with these younger dog men. Cheers

[bolero]

boze quit never heard that before

[Officially Retired]

I believe there was a man in TN, named Paul Sweeny, who beat Earl Tudor 4-0 ...

[CYJ]

My bad Bolero. Went back and corrected. I was talking about the Boudreaux' Scrub dog not the Boudreaux' Boze dog. Seems not only Boudreaux but the other Texas dog men etc. bred some quitting dogs in their pedigrees. Still done even today. I no longer have any of my older Magazines. But I believe Carver's Cracker was beat and failed to scratch, Trahan's Rascal dog did as well and some others.

The last living dog that V. Jackson had bred off of from my last bloodline, I was trying to develop. Had some awesome brothers and a beautiful built sibling sister. All got killed either by a very angry next door neighbor, Humane Dyke Society, stolen or drowned in a Texas Flash flood. That last dog was the Jackson's Harley dog. I was not there to see what happen but it was stated the dog quit in short order and barely mouthed the other dog.

Vernon said the dog was rubbed and two more later on, one dying in the kennel box and the other on the way to the Vet. Said he still has the Vet clinic reports showing Nicotine Sulphate. Would mail the reports to me to see for my self. Being that was a good many years back that was a moot point for me. Since I was not there to see for myself is a moot point. If I had felt the dog quit would have disposed of it even if that was the last Mohican. I know there was nothing wrong with his four grand parents. I had checked them pretty good.

Jackson said he went ahead and bred Harley to see if he may could be a producer. Felt he already knew the strengths and weakness of his dogs. Why go buy some one else's possible curs or cull dogs. V. Jackson said he on more than one occasion rode up on some of those dog thieves out on his property. There to steal dogs in the broad day light. Ended up letting a young Mexican dog man live on his property to help him and help watch and care for his remaining dogs.

Said all that to say I am not down on Boudreaux, Mayfield, are anyone else. I had some good dogs and some sorry ones. I was just one brick in the wall and nothing more. I was just a average dog man that liked the sport and did take very good care of my dogs. Kept my dogs healthy and runs clean.

We are all just bricks in the wall. Some may be considered big Concrete Blocks in that Wall. If we fight and bicker to much and demean each other. Not saying anyone has at this point. That wall can come tumbling down real fast.

Mr. Law. Mr. Do Good, Mr. john Q public and the Humane Dyke Society are only too willing, to put some of us bricks in a Jail house wall. LOL This sort of subject will just take us all around and around till we all turn into Butter or was that a brick. LOL Cheers

[bolero]

go by the american game dog times and read whata friend of both men says about eli and blind billy he explains everything and how eli was truly bred

[projectx]

go by the american game dog times and read whata friend of both men says about eli and blind billy he explains everything and how eli was truly bred

Bolero why dont you post the story , and while your at it post the interview with floyd so we can see what his words say ,not a friend , the man himslef , but like i said some folks what to believe regardless of the evidence or common sense
and it looks like your one of them bolero, you have floyds own words the times jan feb issue 1989 , but you dont want to
belive floyds own words and the overwhelming view of the dogmen who had a brain back then with no axe to grind one way or another , but instead you want to belive a story from a friend of floyds rather than floyds own words , cos floyds words prove him a lair on blind billy and eli and you must not want to see it which is pretty sad .