Its certainly not for me, if your breeding hunting dogs then why breed to a dog that shows no signs of being interested in hunting, whatever dog or bitch I use in my program needs to show me its a hunting dog because thats what Im trying to recreate. IMHO
It simply is not that simpleOriginally Posted by bulldogsrus
Dogs are gene pools ... and as such they have a WHOLE HOST of genetics behind them that may not be expressed in the animal itself, but can be passed on to the next generation ... this is why game dogs can produce curs ... and curs can produce game dogs
The key to breeding dogs is NOT individual excellence, it's in reproductive prepotency, and whether the dog itself has (or can be reasonably be expected to have) this trait as a producer.
If I had a choice of breeding to a Grand Champion individual (who came from an all-cur litter, where every other littermate quit) ... or I could breed to a cold dog (who came off of an all-game/winning litter, where every other littermate was a winner and/or extremely game) ... I would breed to the cold dog in that case.
Why?
Because the average dog of the line is better in the cold dog than the Grand Champion, and (in breeding) you get what the AVERAGE dog of the line is "on average," NOT what the "one" excellent/cold dog is.
People who know what they're doing (like Rebel Kennels) can make the best dogs in the world out of culls ... while people who don't know what they're doing can turn the best dogs in the world into culls ... by knowing/not knowing how to breed them
Jack
U know your stuffIt simply is not that simple
Dogs are gene pools ... and as such they have a WHOLE HOST of genetics behind them that may not be expressed in the animal itself, but can be passed on to the next generation ... this is why game dogs can produce curs ... and curs can produce game dogs
The key to breeding dogs is NOT individual excellence, it's in reproductive prepotency, and whether the dog itself has (or can be reasonably be expected to have) this trait as a producer.
If I had a choice of breeding to a Grand Champion individual (who came from an all-cur litter, where every other littermate quit) ... or I could breed to a cold dog (who came off of an all-game/winning litter, where every other littermate was a winner and/or extremely game) ... I would breed to the cold dog in that case.
Why?
Because the average dog of the line is better in the cold dog than the Grand Champion, and (in breeding) you get what the AVERAGE dog of the line is "on average," NOT what the "one" excellent/cold dog is.
People who know what they're doing (like Rebel Kennels) can make the best dogs in the world out of culls ... while people who don't know what they're doing can turn the best dogs in the world into culls ... by knowing/not knowing how to breed them
Jack
what is selecting if you neglect one of the most important aspects for these dogs. sure, some some cold dogs have produced good dogs but 90 % of the people who say this use it an excuse to justify breeding their shit or make money and only 10% % knows what he's doing and/or keeps the whole litter on his yard.
I believe this part as well. Selling puppies most definitely can make breeding to a cold dog look suspect to the guy on the outside looking in. Sometimes breeding to the poorer specimen is because he is easily accessible, he is bred really nice, or the breeder is kennel blind. I agree the % of people making knowledgeable breedings is slim in comparison to the people just breeding dogs. There are tons of dogs bred just because they have papers on them and that is not factoring in the dogs (good or bad) listed on those papers. Just papers.
I do not think cold dogs are always the best option but I would not rule them out completely just because they are cold dogs. EWO
at the end of the day though, it's all personal preference. if you wanna breed cold dogs, go ahead.
it's really about what works for you and your goals. if breeding cold dogs provides a route for you to meet whatever goals you may have, go for it.
Rebel Kennels took stopped dogs off Crenshaw's yard and from what I heard bred up some good ones. Some of our most popular bloodlines of today came off some famous stud dogs that were bred a lot and still being matched. To later quit under various reasons. Why it is best not to breed to any match dog till it's career is over.
One example I saw was Baker Davis's Boomerang dog. Brought back out of retirement and matched around 7 or 8 years old. Boomerang was on a young 2 1/2 year old dog owned by Mr. H. Teal. If Boomer had not got in some early serious biting. He almost did not pull it off. It was a close call right down to the wire.
So a cold male or cold female here or there is no biggie if the end results puts you in the winning. Still breeding to a cold dog should have some good valid reason behind it. You just have to know when to hold them and when to fold them. Even today no one has the monopoly on that elusive game gene in dogs. The good ones are where you find them.
jack. Let's say i have only one, but an excellent bitch, bred her once and 6 out of 7 stopped, but she produced 1 one other excellent male. Technically speaking, these 2 excellent dogs would be useless in to a breeding program in your eyes? Unless you breed them with a dog from a more consistent game litter and higher your odds, like EWO mentions, or?
If your one, excellent bitch also came from a mostly-cur litter, and then threw a mostly-cur litter, I wouldn't waste my time with her.
However, if she came out of a great litter, but the stud you bred her to didn't, then I would think he may have been the one to foul things up. If he was also from a good litter, then maybe the "mix" didn't work. [Sometimes, for whatever reason, two great dogs just don't mix (e.g., Zebo/Honeybunch), but they can produce when bred a different way.]
If neither the stud nor the bitch came from high-percentage litters, and threw a mostly-cur litter, then I would dump them all and wash my hands thoroughly.
The only way to get into the high-percentage business is to use high-percentage animals
If you gotta plant 6 to get 1 winner, then you're in the mostly-shit "with one exception" business ...
If you have 6 game dogs, and win with one of them, then you're in the truly good bloodline business
Jack
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