OTC

[EWO]

Call this one:

Two dogs are hooked at the same time at the same weight for different shows in different places.

The first male gets a forfeit call early on the last week of the keep, three to four days out. His owner feeds him up a little and he is solidly off match weight. 2+ pounds over on Saturday.

On the Saturday morning of the match the 2nd dog collects his forfeit. The first guy gets a call, do you want to do your dog tonight?

His answer is that I just fed the dog so no, not tonight. They say tomorrow night? They agree to do their dogs with the difference in weight.

Is this contracted or is it off the chain?

EWO

[Coach]

I think this conversation has evolved from it's original topic, but that's cool as this is what forums are for.

Your point in that what it is called is right. Or at least, i won't argue your point. However, my point is that a true OTC contest is not as legit as a true contracted out several weeks, conditioned and set terms contest.

It's like watching the two best boxers in the world go at it. What do you want to see and which is more legit? They both show up out of shape at different weights but it's ight cuz they fight in the same weight class when they are conditioned OR do you want to see them go at it at their BEST? And which is more legit in your opinion?

[Coach]

And your last scenario, I don't consider OTC - both dogs are conditioned dogs

[EWO]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=42272

This was a male I had some years back. he is the dog in the scenario.

On the Sunday I showed up well over 38, maybe closer to 39. They showed up a hair under their contract weight of 37. I did not want to do it and I made a half-hearted attempt to back out. I simply said this is not a dog you should give weight to and I do not see much point in wrecking your dog to prove the point. Of course, I was a chicken shit, my dog was a cur, etc. etc.

I should have walked away but I did not. First ten minutes even, 2nd 10 minutes the combination of simply being a better dog and having two pounds to boot was too much and the last five or six was simply when we could make a handle. I used a towel to clean my dog up and they used a shovel on theirs.

I went a long time and called this dog a 1XW. I considered it a schooling session for the dumbass owner of the other dog. Then some time later when we were hooking another match he went into all the excuses of why things turned out the way they did, other than he was just stupid. From there I tagged it as a win.

That helped me form my opinion, conditioned or not, on weight or not, I won't take a win away from one dog because the other dog owner is a dumb ass.

I fell like when you pull out of the drive way with your dog all of your shit best be in on point, anything less than that, and it is on you. I can't hold that against the other dog.

EWO

[Coach]

I consider your situation a legit win. Both conditioned dogs. Even though your dog put on 2lbs in a few days, his keep and it's affect did not evaporate in that time. 2 conditioned dogs.
I would count that as a win as well.

Neither of these dogs were OTC dogs. They were both conditioned.

I guess the back and forth here is you are classifying a type of contest as OTC and I've classifying the contestants as conditioned or OTC.

[brasso]

@EWO Ozzie was BRED! Any pics of him?

[EWO]

One of the things I have kicked myself for over the years is I did not take pictures.

He was a black male, 37 for the show. One continuous muscle from head to to toe.

Click on his sire's ped, Patrick's Kasai. A hair taller than his sire, slightly more more muscular and shiny black. Best I can do to re-create him.

EWO

[brasso]

I know that feeling, EWO. Not like back then we had cameras on our phones.

Kasai has the "look" I always liked best. I could spot them ugly Bolio dogs a mile away. Mostly what I see of it nowadays just doesn't look right to me.

[EWO]

Kasai stamped his dogs. They all were shaped the same, looked the same, barked the same....Maybe his best attribute he passed is not what most would say when they say "Bolio". Kasai put a ton of mouth in to every thing he bred. He had one male that I can remember that did not have exceptional mouth, and on that was so-so average. The rest exceptional.

The female could change the color but that was about all the input the females had. LOL

EWO