Now with all that said, I think BLACKROCK'S EL NAZI is prolly the gamest SOB of the DECADE LOL and if an award is given out he should be noted as a top canadite...Originally Posted by CA Jack
I understand what you're saying ...
YES: Gameness is the essence of the breed, and dogs who show it to the extreme are deserving.
NO: The DOY title should only be about performance.
Now with all that said, I think BLACKROCK'S EL NAZI is prolly the gamest SOB of the DECADE LOL and if an award is given out he should be noted as a top canadite...
I understand what you're saying ...
For gamest dog of year I'll go with CH.Lotto he showed what a game dog is suppose to be. Or even CH.Texas damn it I'm rambling now lol
Did he lose in 2014?
Yup I agree, for "gamest DOY" but not for over all best DOY.
A truly elite dog may never be put in the situation where it had to show heart...so I believe having two separate titles would be best.
I agree 100%
GLOBAL
I'm with this also and if gameness comes into account with elite dogs on the grand stage with eachother. We all still will be looking more at the Grand stage.
I agree with this.
Simply b/c a dog has never had to display heart to win doesn't mean the heart isn't there.
DOY is about performance and there is a lot to consider. More than all the different abilities, keeps, handling and gameness. There's a ton to consider. So, b/c there are so many ways to win and so many ways to lose, DOY accolades should not consider one component over the other, but rather sum of all components.
Gene Stallings went to Bear Bryant about a recruit for football one time. He was super excited. Kept pointing out how, no matter how many times this young man got knocked down, he would always get back up and keep coming back for more. Showed Coach Bryant countless examples of how this young man would always come back for more, no matter what happened to him. He finally asked Coach Bryant, "So what do you think". Coach Bryant didn't hesitate. He simply said, "I want the guy that keeps knocking him down"
Winning is about winning. Doesn't matter how, especially in a sport where there are so many ways to lose. One freak "Fear Bite" from a cur that is losing drastically from the bottom can end a fight or even the life of a truly great animal.
So no, I don't think gameness should carry more weight in selecting a DOY candidate than other components. I think it is definitely a consideration, but no more than a lot of other components.
I do agree Jack an exceptionally game dog deserves recognition. If it is a matter of another prestigious title being awarded to an animal that goes beyond what most consider game, then of course I'm all for it.
But I was under the impression you were strictly speaking about DOY?
S_B
Well, originally, my thought was ... "is ability all there is to greatness?"
Is beating 3 mediocre Champions, where you're never really behind, a "greater accomplishment" than beating ONE devastating Champion, suffering incredible punishment, taking it all, and coming from WAY BACK to win on a huge HEART + Ability?
Beating 3 Champions can mean a dog only has great ability, but yet never had to show HEART.
Doesn't true greatness imply HEART also?
Isn't the display of awesome heart the distinction between a front-runner and a legend?
Maybe the idea of a second title, for gameness, is the best way to go ... but my original thought was, "Okay X dog may not have won 6x, but he did display a level of gameness that the 6xW Y never showed ..."
Is true greatness only about # of wins?
Jack
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