This would be very understandable that killing two birds with one stone! B,u,t she was bred to a proven STUD!Originally Posted by Macker
This would be very understandable that killing two birds with one stone! B,u,t she was bred to a proven STUD!
Exactly right. A dog can either produce, or it can't, regardless of its talent.
Exactly right again. If you have a knowledge of what good dogs are (in deed, in a pedigree, how an animal should move, etc.), and if you have a gem of a young dog, then breed her and get the ball rolling.
Of course, at some point, all dogs need to be evaluated over several REASONABLE rolls.
NO DOG needs to be rolled within an inch of its life, ever.
On the flipside, NO ONE can keep breeding untested dogs, and keep themselves in the winner's circle over time.
You have to SEE what you're breeding at some point. (This should be obvious to anyone.)
Tested does NOT mean "beat all to hell," mutilated, or permanently-damaged.
Tested means rolled with a few dogs, after it's mature, with each successive roll being against progressively more-and-more talented individuals, until both are fairly tired, to see how the prospect does and behaves against a variety of styles.
Again, any fool should be able to distinguish between a breeder of dogs, and determine right away if this guy is a green bozo breeding puppies to sell (with no actual breeding record to stand on), or if he's a long-term breeder of excellence (meaning DOGS THAT WIN) who happens to be breeding a young, superbly-bred animal of his own time-proven bloodline.
Anyone with a pedigree full of untested dogs isn't winning consistently.
Anyone with a pedigree FULL of game/talented dogs, from generations of high-percentage litters top-and-bottom ... can happily breed his young dogs ... and not have to worry about what "The Peanut Gallery" has to say
Jack
One more thing: Just because "you" don't know what a dog did/didn't do in a pedigree doesn't mean "nothing's been done" with that dog
This is true to a point the genes are the genes. Problem is you haven't seen enough to know what the expression of those genes looks like. I'm in this position a little now. I bought two pups. Both are rbjbt crosses, but looking further at it they aren't really that related. Now i see them as two different entities. One is a young male the other a female. My gut is pulling me towards the male more. He impresses me more every day. I would rather get his littermate sister. Do a father/daughter breeding with her and sit on the male. I think the males have a harder road in dogs and in life. Girls may get a pass to a point. Most likely when you are getting a start. My male may suck. Turn to be a rank cur then I have a yard full of his kids. The female may be the same. If she can pass on the genes in her past and successfully raise a littler of pups I'm happier.
Time & money can besaved buying the brood bitch. Puppies are the biggest gamble feeding, housing, care of those pups until maturity. Is a waste if the desired results are not achieved, definitely if purchased from less than savvy individuals. Don’t gamble on what could be my friend go with what’s been proven.
Good luck 👍🏿
LOYALTY BEFORE ROYALTY !!!
how do you do that and not go broke a proven producer costs more than a used truck
Depends on who you know and honest evaluation of the bitch in question. One mans trash is another mans treasure 💡when you really calculate what it cost to raise those hyped up pups into adulthood and end up dissatisfied.Time, feed, meds,for a few more dollars one could have purchased a gyp with grown dogs on the ground . that will give you a peek into the future. Hard times hit everybody. Cash is king. buying puppies always is a crap shoot buy the bitch breed a litter. Odds are simply better.
Or not everyone sees things differently
LOYALTY BEFORE ROYALTY !!!
I agree with the post Jack is going to make.
Either that, or keep the pups to yourself.
I agree, I think the main problem with breeding young bitches is when someone does it to peddle all the pups. If you get yourself a bitch with the intentions of keeping her as a brood bitch to get good dogs from and keep then why not breed from her straight away and get the ball rolling.
Dont think he will be dropping in as he aready spoke his part on an other thread! This thread was made out of respect to the other members thread!
But how do you agree with someone that has not voice his opinion on this thread or are you in concur with wat he posted on the other thread?
Dont think Jack will mind if we as members voice our matter of opinions!
Genetics are genetics but the objective view of breeding proven parents is pairing the right genetic. Individuals from the same gene pool pull different traits many times. I have an old buddy with 40yrs in dogs. He is kicking himself right now trying to find the right specimens from his line to get back what made him love it. The blood is there but you can see a significant change in the dogs. He gambled a few times and regrets it. I continued in the way he taught me and he says he still sees what used to be on his yard. The thing is more about selective breeding to me and being able to cultivate and build consistency. This paired with overpopulation move my view. It's all opinions though so it's just a discussion not a debate. Still in stating my view. I recognize I can't control what anyone does. These discussions help moving forward with the breed though. So this topic is healthy. We can all weigh pros and cons.
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