"Fast Lane"?

[CrazyRed]

Fast lane term has been around for years just as Bush Leagues or back yard. Most people not in the "fast lane" are typically people who are against it. It means nothing, just as riding on the highway the speed limit is the same in both lanes but the left lane is the fast lane lol. You ride with what you can ride with whether that means you can afford the ticket, or you can afford the travel or have the means to. Just because you don't travel to all edges of the earth to get a win don't mean you don't have the best 38 in the world. Just because you do travel all across the globe dont mean you have the best 38, folks are too worried to be caught up in Labels and titles. Fast lane is just a term folks who have the means to pay a little extra to play use to seperate themselves from guys who BS on forfeits or purposely come in off weight or just like to play at the high end table. Doesn't mean for one second they have better dogs or handlers but it also doesn't mean that they don't. You can bust ass in a 1/4 race with your Factory Honda Civic beating all the folks in station wagons but when that Caparo hits the track he might tell you to get to your lane.. Do the best you can by your dogs and all the others will give you the accolades & titles.

[STA8541]

Do the best you can by your dogs and all the others will give you the accolades & titles.

Love this. Great post, thank you.

[ragedog10]

I do think inbred low abilty dog have a place in a breeding program and thats for gameness! If they have proven to be that! Also to add more of the said blood!
Now hears the thing if im looking for more of a Head,chest,throat style then does these low abilty/no style dog still have a place in ones breeding program? Besides being game and having the same name in a ped 20x's were would they fit in abreeding program thats based on style/gameness?

[Officially Retired]

I do think inbred low abilty dog have a place in a breeding program and thats for gameness! If they have proven to be that! Also to add more of the said blood!

It's not "having" the gameness, per se, that makes inbred brood dogs valuable ... because many authentically-game dogs simply can't throw their own gameness into their pups ...

Rather, it is these dogs being inbred on great dogs, known to THROW--gameness (ability, etc.) that makes them valuable.

If a dog is inbred on a low-percentage producer, that can't throw anything, then his "being inbred" means nothing worthwhile.

However, if the dog is inbred on a HIGH percentage-producer, and himself is game dog and comes from a high-percentage litter, then that dog is actually worth MORE than 98% of most match dogs in the brood pen

Now hears the thing if im looking for more of a Head,chest,throat style then does these low abilty/no style dog still have a place in ones breeding program?

If that's what you're selecting for, yes.

Besides being game and having the same name in a ped 20x's were would they fit in abreeding program thats based on style/gameness?

My breeding program has always been based on gameness and a head style ... and that is pretty much what my line has come to be known for ...

Jack

EDIT: You can pretty much get anything you repeatedly and consistently select for

[bulldoghistorian]

I do think inbred low abilty dog have a place in a breeding program and thats for gameness! If they have proven to be that! Also to add more of the said blood!
Now hears the thing if im looking for more of a Head,chest,throat style then does these low abilty/no style dog still have a place in ones breeding program? Besides being game and having the same name in a ped 20x's were would they fit in abreeding program thats based on style/gameness?

from the years I have been in the dogs there is one thing that drives me in breedings I make and that is consistency
the only way to get consistency for high ability is to breed only to those animals
if you constantly weed out those that are not able to win shows , the percentages get higher

There will always be exceptions to the rules and people tend to look at those exceptions to justify their particular breeding
but every working breed as far as I know uses the same rule

[Officially Retired]

from the years I have been in the dogs there is one thing that drives me in breedings I make and that is consistency
the only way to get consistency for high ability is to breed only to those animals
if you constantly weed out those that are not able to win shows , the percentages get higher

There will always be exceptions to the rules and people tend to look at those exceptions to justify their particular breeding
but every working breed as far as I know uses the same rule

Exceptions to the rules? I would say THE RULE is that highly-linbred dogs are the true producers in the sport, not the opposite.

Just curious, if you only utilize world-beating match dogs, why wasn't Moya's father matched?

How do you explain the success Floyd Boudreaux's HIGHLY INBRED foundation dog, Blind Billy, not being a world beater?
Do you know more than Floyd? Can you think of a more successful line than his?

What about the highly-linebred Little Gator?
Have you built up a bigger legacy of wins than the owner of this COLD DOG?

How would you explain the success of Stone City's COLD, INBRED Awesome Baby, as being behind SO MANY Champions, ROMs, etc.

Historian, if you're going to live up to your name, you need to recognize that "inbred bums producing" is NOT "the exception"

Jack

[bulldoghistorian]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=13468 was matched in the early 90's

The reason why I bred to him was basically to double up on the Oscar/ Scallywag litter and because I already had several winners of Sumo for example Ch Keyser Soze
I have to admit tough Sumo was a bum and was used that day to replace a dog that got sick , he was put up for sale straight after the show and nobody wanted him , not even me
he was given to a guy called Nasty Boy after a year or so with the rule that if he took care of sumo he would be given a match dog

a daughter of awesome baby came this way , she was cold as well , think she died here without having a single pup

[Officially Retired]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=13468 was matched in the early 90's

The reason why I bred to him was basically to double up on the Oscar/ Scallywag litter and because I already had several winners of Sumo for example Ch Keyser Soze
I have to admit tough Sumo was a bum and was used that day to replace a dog that got sick , he was put up for sale straight after the show and nobody wanted him , not even me
he was given to a guy called Nasty Boy after a year or so with the rule that if he took care of sumo he would be given a match dog

There you go ... but "the bum" is the one who produced your Grand Champion / Dog of the Year ... which no "match dog" has done for you yet, right?

That is pretty much what I said two posts ago

Jack

[bulldoghistorian]

There you go ... but "the bum" is the one who produced your Grand Champion / Dog of the Year ... which no "match dog" has done for you yet, right?

That is pretty much what I said two posts ago

Jack

I have to admit those are the facts
By the way although chosen I have refused the DOY title in later years , brings to much attention
but the moya dog up till today is the only gr.ch I had LOL

[Officially Retired]

Okay, when I interviewed Hardcore Kennels back in 2000, we discussed a lot of subjects, including breeding of course.

Big Mike told me he did NOT like inbreeding either, just like you, and pointed out his many accomplishments (ROMs, Ch's, etc.) using his 3-ways crosses.

However, at the time, despite a fabulous career, Mike lamented that had never produced a single Grand Champion yet ... and how he had always come up short, even with great dogs.

Well, it also happened to be the time he was campaigning Ch Nine Milli ... who eventually became Gr Ch Nine Milli DOY ... and I pointed out to Mike that (ahem) Nine Milli was an inbred aunt/nephew breeding (Redman and Felony were littermates)

Just sayin'

Jack

PS: You will almost invariably notice that the best dogs in the world are either inbred, or based off of inbred dogs. Almost without exception.